European International University

[eLearner]

@cacoleman1983, what was the name of the partner institution?

I'm interested to know that as well. Also, I'd check the post count and posting history of the person who made the claim on DI. Sometimes, reps from schools show up to throw a wrench into discussions that aren't going in their favor.

But if it all checks out, people might be able to move a <$2000 Master's into enrollment with a Doctoral program here in the United States or Canada. However, I'll just add that in all of the years I have seen European Universities do validation-type deals with schools, I can't remember one that was ever done in secret like what's being mentioned regarding EIU's partnership. And usually, the school that would be in EIU's position boasts about it all over its website so people know about the legitimate affiliation.

Hmmmm...

[Harry101]

It was mentioned on the sister board in this thread;
https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?thr...ity.62344/

The user Nguyen confirmed that the mysterious "University" is not recognized by the Ministry over in Thailand. So as of now you can scratch that validation story part out.

It's the same schtick on how Diploma mill's operate in France, they offer it online and to internationals by trying to convince people they hold Higher education accreditation from the Ministry by providing Ministry of Education for Youth in France applications to run francophonic schools for kids. Quite misleading on their part.

[cacoleman1983]

It was mentioned on the sister board in this thread;
https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?thr...ity.62344/

The user Nguyen confirmed that the mysterious "University" is not recognized by the Ministry over in Thailand. So as of now you can scratch that validation story part out.

It's the same schtick on how Diploma mill's operate in France, they offer it online and to internationals by trying to convince people they hold Higher education accreditation from the Ministry by providing Ministry of Education for Youth in France applications to run francophonic schools for kids. Quite misleading on their part.

That's crazy.   When they say it is WES-approved, I wonder how WES evaluates this mysterious university's degrees.  My guess is, in the same way, ENEB offers to send your credentials to WES for their non-accredited US evaluation, this mysterious school that is "WES-approved" probably has the non-accredited US degree status as well.    In that case, it would be a waste of money.

[bjcheung77]

Yeah, I noticed that they were operating in Thailand too and mentioned that in post #5 and #7 is where I mentioned EIU "sells" their Professional Doctorates. It's a weird operation, even though they have Validential and possibly other evaluators (non AICE or NACES) helping them become more 'legal', it's still not a recommendation from me.

[Unlucky]

I mentioned EIU "sells" their Professional Doctorates.  It's a weird operation,.

I don’t know much about EIU, and I’m not particularly interested because it’s primarily a business school, a major that I’m not currently pursuing. But I wouldn’t go as far as saying that they “sell” degrees, at least based on what I’ve read on their website. They claim to implement a VAE process (Validation des Acquis de l'Expérience), which translates to Recognition of Prior Learning (RPL). Regardless of EIU practices, VAE is a legitimate way for obtaining degrees in France and other countries like Australia and most recently Switzerland.

In a legitimate VAE process, one’s achievements and work experience is rigorously evaluated by a “Jury” (professors) to determine if an application is worthy of receiving a degree or partial credits. Applicants sometimes have to do an oral presentation in front of said Jury to emphasize their expertise in the subject matter. Established, state-recognized French universities issue such degrees, with criteria that may slightly vary from one institution to another. VAE degrees, according to Wikipedia, are embedded in the European Erasmus and the Bologna declaration, and aren’t differentiated by their method of delivery. 

Now, the questions we should be asking are: Do EIU and the like adhere to the rigorous, well-established standards when awarding such degrees? If a VAE degree was issued from a fully recognized and accredited university in its home country, will it be evaluated as equivalent in the US/Canada by NACES/AICE members? Has the RPL system been abused in the past (i.e., does it have a bad rep?) If so, by whom? These are areas that require further research and investigation.

[Harry101]

Funny thing i can not find any claim on EIU website about VAE. Regardless of that, VAE is used in France for ;
Diplomas (not to be confused with degrees) currently accessible as follows:
- Family Life Assistant (ADVF);
- Medico-Social Service Officer (ASMS);
- Educational and Social Companion (DEAES);
- Accompanying Driver of Persons with Reduced Mobility (CaPMR);
- Gerontology coach;
- Family employee;
- Life assistant dependency;

It is a new program used for trade/craft skill, foreigners to get recognition on the French labor market. Anyone who wants to read more about this info feel free to browse the government websites, since the info on wikipedia is incorrect and outdated. (https://vae.gouv.fr/ or https://vae.centre-inffo.fr/vous-etes-un...enseigner/ )

It has nothing to do with academic degrees, but for diplomas/certifications and any type of life experience - to get recognition for appropriate titles in trade crafts.

[Unlucky]

Funny thing i can not find any claim on EIU website about VAE.

https://eiu.ac/professional-doctorate-pd/

VAE is used in France for ; Diplomas (not to be confused with degrees)

University of Technology of Compiègne: https://www.utc.fr/en/vae-for-phd-degree/
University of Orléans: https://www.univ-orleans.fr/en/sefco/acc...ty-orleans

Both public universities, among many others, that claim to offer “degrees” through VAE, either fully or partially.

It is a new program used for trade/craft skill, foreigners to get recognition on the French labor market

VAE has been around since 2002: https://publication.enseignementsup-rech...cation.php

[Harry101]

Lets make one thing clear VAE is used for trade school skills, and foreign certification programs for the French labor market to be usable. They are a program from the Ministry of Labor in France. The programs you referenced ( the one to grant assistance) started in 2022. VAE is not part of higher education or evaluation of the same in France.

If the link from EIU is indeed, then this is plain simply wrong. It wouldnt be a big shocker to me, since going to EiU website just 1 year one could see all kind of claims on their website. (Wayback machine)
VAE can be used for course certification or applications to the labor ministry for recognition, but it definitely is not the correct French organization for degrees.

[Erasec63]

I understand that not everyone thinks accreditation is a big deal.  Maybe they think accreditors are shady or unnecessary or whatever.  I think there's value  from a quality control perspective in having a regulatory body keeping an eye on universities.  This school is entirely unaccredited.  They say they are "incorporated" in France and my response is "So What?"  I could probably create a school and incorporate it by the end of the week.  It means nothing.  In this day and age there are better choices easily available.  If you tell us what you're looking for then I'll bet that someone could hit that nail right on the head.

Here's what I think. Accreditation is just another way for the government to make money, and the school to jack the prices up. Yes, quality control is needed, especially in professions such as medical, law, etc. However, it has become a money making scheme.
For instance, my friend bought a small cosmetology school. She is a licensed cosmetology teacher, unlike the previous two owners who bought it from the original owner who had all the right accreditations. They did not know what they were doing, so they ran the school into the ground.
My friend has already spent over 20k and 4 years trying to get accreditation. They keep making her jump through more and more hoops. Change this, change that, rewrite this, etc. When the reality is that there are a few curriculum systems for cosmetology. She chose the most widely used one, Milady. Everything in that system is what a person needs to pass the state board. In Illinois there is no longer a practical test. Meaning you don't have to perform a haircut. There is, however, a state board, which is mostly concerned with disease control and bacteriology in the salon. Public safety. My friend has been in the business 40 years. She's worked at top schools. But accreditation is always a carrot in front of her nose. Once she has accreditation she can offer financial aid to her students. Then of course, she will raise the prices which are now low, but you have to be a cash pay. She can also make her own rules on attendance, leaves of absence, payment plans. That all goes out the window with government control.
I'm looking for a Ph.D. or doctorate that is not 60-80K and 6-10 years. I'm not going to research the cure for cancer. I don't think a Psychology doctorate warrants 60K. Almost nothing in my accredited, overpriced, agonizing, graduate program (I am a licensed School Psychologist), pertains to what I do everyday. I learned it all on the job.

[bjcheung77]

@Erasec63, If you're looking at this particular institution, you may want to do a bit more research before you enroll with them. There are other options as I mentioned in your previous post. Here's the example option and post... If you need more info on others, you can always take a look at the graduate section and search... Link: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid411753