ENEB Master Thread

[rachel83az]

Ouch. I assume IEE probably wants the documents directly from ENEB/Isabel I. It's stupid. Evaluators claim to be knowledgeable about foreign credits, but they don't even know how transcripts are handled abroad. It's not like in the US!

[Silvious]

ENEB will sent transcript via email for $39, just email academy for the request. I just got it processed at IEE for 2.75 credits as well for Big Data + MBA + PM, will ask to up it as well.

[sparkling]

Ouch. I assume IEE probably wants the documents directly from ENEB/Isabel I. It's stupid. Evaluators claim to be knowledgeable about foreign credits, but they don't even know how transcripts are handled abroad. It's not like in the US!

It doesn't make sense to me, and they actually contradict themselves. The email I received after placing an order for an official evaluation (with the verification fee) stated: "IEE requires original transcripts for evaluation purposes. For faster processing, we prefer these documents be sent electronically via email to records@myiee.org or through a trusted 3rd party service which can be found on our Document Requirements page. If you are unable to request your documents be sent to IEE by the issuing institution, you may submit your own copy which may be subject to verification for a fee."

But then at the top of the email stated "by email MyIEE Reference No.XXXXXXXXX. xxxxxx@myiee.org. Only documents sent directly from verified university email addresses will be accepted."

Which directly contradicts their statement above, "If you are unable to request your documents be sent to IEE by the issuing institution, you may submit your own copy which may be subject to verification for a fee."

And on their page for Spain document requirements it states for titulo diplomas for employment evaluation, acceptable documents include: "original or photocopy or scan is acceptable if the official transcript confirms the degree."

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ENEB will sent transcript via email for $39, just email academy for the request. I just got it processed at IEE for 2.75 credits as well for Big Data + MBA + PM, will ask to up it as well.

Wait, so they evaluated your per class credits as 2.75? Why in the world did they only evaluate mine as 2.5 per class? (I don't know if this matters, but I made all A's and a 4.0 for both of my degrees). What are you going to say to them to get them to increase your per class credits to 3.0?

As for ENEB emailing the transcript, did they also have to email your diplomas to IEE for evaluation, or did IEE allow you to submit those via email or upload?

[thodeptrai]

Ouch. I assume IEE probably wants the documents directly from ENEB/Isabel I. It's stupid. Evaluators claim to be knowledgeable about foreign credits, but they don't even know how transcripts are handled abroad. It's not like in the US!

It doesn't make sense to me, and they actually contradict themselves. The email I received after placing an order for an official evaluation (with the verification fee) stated: "IEE requires original transcripts for evaluation purposes. For faster processing, we prefer these documents be sent electronically via email to records@myiee.org or through a trusted 3rd party service which can be found on our Document Requirements page. If you are unable to request your documents be sent to IEE by the issuing institution, you may submit your own copy which may be subject to verification for a fee."

But then at the top of the email stated "by email MyIEE Reference No.XXXXXXXXX. xxxxxx@myiee.org. Only documents sent directly from verified university email addresses will be accepted."

Which directly contradicts their statement above, "If you are unable to request your documents be sent to IEE by the issuing institution, you may submit your own copy which may be subject to verification for a fee."

And on their page for Spain document requirements it states for titulo diplomas for employment evaluation, acceptable documents include: "original or photocopy or scan is acceptable if the official transcript confirms the degree."

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ENEB will sent transcript via email for $39, just email academy for the request. I just got it processed at IEE for 2.75 credits as well for Big Data + MBA + PM, will ask to up it as well.

Wait, so they evaluated your per class credits as 2.75? Why in the world did they only evaluate mine as 2.5 per class? (I don't know if this matters, but I made all A's and a 4.0 for both of my degrees). What are you going to say to them to get them to increase your per class credits to 3.0?

As for ENEB emailing the transcript, did they also have to email your diplomas to IEE for evaluation, or did IEE allow you to submit those via email or upload?

IEE utilizes the US two-year master's degree, which is equivalent to approximately 36 credits, as a benchmark for post-graduate level credits. Regarding the ENEB degree, IEE has indicated that it is a 1.5-year program, which translates to 30 US credits (1.5 years x 20 credits per year).

According to the ENEB transcripts, the program comprises a total of 60 credits (ECTS). To determine the credit conversion per course, IEE follows the formula: 60 divided by the number of courses divided by 2.

For instance, if the program consists of 11 courses like the Master in Big Data and Business Intelligence, the calculation would be as follows: 60 divided by 11 equals 5.454545, which is then divided by 2, resulting in 2.72727 US credits (rounded up to 2.75).

In the case of a program with 12 or 13 courses, the resulting credit conversion would be 2.5.

[sparkling]

Ouch. I assume IEE probably wants the documents directly from ENEB/Isabel I. It's stupid. Evaluators claim to be knowledgeable about foreign credits, but they don't even know how transcripts are handled abroad. It's not like in the US!

It doesn't make sense to me, and they actually contradict themselves. The email I received after placing an order for an official evaluation (with the verification fee) stated: "IEE requires original transcripts for evaluation purposes. For faster processing, we prefer these documents be sent electronically via email to records@myiee.org or through a trusted 3rd party service which can be found on our Document Requirements page. If you are unable to request your documents be sent to IEE by the issuing institution, you may submit your own copy which may be subject to verification for a fee."

But then at the top of the email stated "by email MyIEE Reference No.XXXXXXXXX. xxxxxx@myiee.org. Only documents sent directly from verified university email addresses will be accepted."

Which directly contradicts their statement above, "If you are unable to request your documents be sent to IEE by the issuing institution, you may submit your own copy which may be subject to verification for a fee."

And on their page for Spain document requirements it states for titulo diplomas for employment evaluation, acceptable documents include: "original or photocopy or scan is acceptable if the official transcript confirms the degree."

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ENEB will sent transcript via email for $39, just email academy for the request. I just got it processed at IEE for 2.75 credits as well for Big Data + MBA + PM, will ask to up it as well.

Wait, so they evaluated your per class credits as 2.75? Why in the world did they only evaluate mine as 2.5 per class? (I don't know if this matters, but I made all A's and a 4.0 for both of my degrees). What are you going to say to them to get them to increase your per class credits to 3.0?

As for ENEB emailing the transcript, did they also have to email your diplomas to IEE for evaluation, or did IEE allow you to submit those via email or upload?

IEE utilizes the US two-year master's degree, which is equivalent to approximately 36 credits, as a benchmark for post-graduate level credits. Regarding the ENEB degree, IEE has indicated that it is a 1.5-year program, which translates to 30 US credits (1.5 years x 20 credits per year).

According to the ENEB transcripts, the program comprises a total of 60 credits (ECTS). To determine the credit conversion per course, IEE follows the formula: 60 divided by the number of courses divided by 2.

For instance, if the program consists of 11 courses like the Master in Big Data and Business Intelligence, the calculation would be as follows: 60 divided by 11 equals 5.454545, which is then divided by 2, resulting in 2.72727 US credits (rounded up to 2.75).

In the case of a program with 12 or 13 courses, the resulting credit conversion would be 2.5.

Thank you for the math and breaking it down. What is confusing to me is the inconsistency of IEE's evaluating. Silvious said they received 2.75 per class for each of their degrees. (Big Data has 11 classes, PM has 11 classes, but the MBA has 13 classes, and they still received 2.75 per class credit.)

I don’t understand the inconsistency of IEE evaluating my 12 classes as 2.5, yet evaluating Silvious’ 13 classes for the MBA as 2.75 per class credit.   Wouldn't they have evaluated the 13 class MBA at 2.30 per class?

[thodeptrai]

Ouch. I assume IEE probably wants the documents directly from ENEB/Isabel I. It's stupid. Evaluators claim to be knowledgeable about foreign credits, but they don't even know how transcripts are handled abroad. It's not like in the US!

It doesn't make sense to me, and they actually contradict themselves. The email I received after placing an order for an official evaluation (with the verification fee) stated: "IEE requires original transcripts for evaluation purposes. For faster processing, we prefer these documents be sent electronically via email to records@myiee.org or through a trusted 3rd party service which can be found on our Document Requirements page. If you are unable to request your documents be sent to IEE by the issuing institution, you may submit your own copy which may be subject to verification for a fee."

But then at the top of the email stated "by email MyIEE Reference No.XXXXXXXXX. xxxxxx@myiee.org. Only documents sent directly from verified university email addresses will be accepted."

Which directly contradicts their statement above, "If you are unable to request your documents be sent to IEE by the issuing institution, you may submit your own copy which may be subject to verification for a fee."

And on their page for Spain document requirements it states for titulo diplomas for employment evaluation, acceptable documents include: "original or photocopy or scan is acceptable if the official transcript confirms the degree."

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ENEB will sent transcript via email for $39, just email academy for the request. I just got it processed at IEE for 2.75 credits as well for Big Data + MBA + PM, will ask to up it as well.

Wait, so they evaluated your per class credits as 2.75? Why in the world did they only evaluate mine as 2.5 per class? (I don't know if this matters, but I made all A's and a 4.0 for both of my degrees). What are you going to say to them to get them to increase your per class credits to 3.0?

As for ENEB emailing the transcript, did they also have to email your diplomas to IEE for evaluation, or did IEE allow you to submit those via email or upload?

IEE utilizes the US two-year master's degree, which is equivalent to approximately 36 credits, as a benchmark for post-graduate level credits. Regarding the ENEB degree, IEE has indicated that it is a 1.5-year program, which translates to 30 US credits (1.5 years x 20 credits per year).

According to the ENEB transcripts, the program comprises a total of 60 credits (ECTS). To determine the credit conversion per course, IEE follows the formula: 60 divided by the number of courses divided by 2.

For instance, if the program consists of 11 courses like the Master in Big Data and Business Intelligence, the calculation would be as follows: 60 divided by 11 equals 5.454545, which is then divided by 2, resulting in 2.72727 US credits (rounded up to 2.75).

In the case of a program with 12 or 13 courses, the resulting credit conversion would be 2.5.

Thank you for the math and breaking it down. What is confusing to me is the inconsistency of IEE's evaluating. Silvious said they received 2.75 per class for each of their degrees. (Big Data has 11 classes, PM has 11 classes, but the MBA has 13 classes, and they still received 2.75 per class credit.)

I don’t understand the inconsistency of IEE evaluating my 12 classes as 2.5, yet evaluating Silvious’ 13 classes for the MBA as 2.75 per class credit.   Wouldn't they have evaluated the 13 class MBA at 2.30 per class?

I believe that only IEE has the answer, so it would be best to contact them.

[michaeladsmith2]

Regarding ENEB's evaluation by IEE, would the receiving institution not determine the credit they accept? In my case, with an ECE evaluation, they gave me 2.5 at the undergraduate level. When I spoke with (as one example), Excelsior University, they specifically stated that they don't shave credits. Once I submit my ECE Report for acceptance of credits, they accept the whole 3 credits per class.

Additionally, the number of credits is a moot point if you hold the Master's. In the USA, a Master's can be as low as 30 credits (M.A.) and as high as 96 (M.Div). Unless you are using the ENEB to enter a Doctoral program, or transfer to another Master's Program, IEE giving 2.75 credits doesn't matter.

For example, most schools will say, "Admission to a doctoral program requires 30 - 36 credits of graduate studies." If you do 2 Masters at ENEB (MBA =13 and the MBCC = 6), which is 19 Modules, even at 2.75, you would have over 52 credits. And if you did just the MBA (13 Modules) and received 2.75, that would still be 35.75. Both scenarios would be adequate for advanced degree admissions, employment, or transfer.

[IHatePickingUsernames]

Several days ago, I sent an email to evaluations@eneb.com (the email address given on the promo materials for the new exam option), and CC'd Academy. I got a reply the next day.

My Email:

Hello,

How is ENEB going to differentiate the transcripts of those choosing the testing option from those choosing the classic methodology? In the classic methodology a final project is required for each course, which then provides the grade for the course. These grades, course-by-course, make up the final transcript.

How are course grades going to be handled for those who choose the testing option? Other than a fifty question multiple-choice exam score, what will a test-taker's transcript look like? How will ENEB grade each course in the test-taker's degree program? Will each course receive a designation of "Pass" instead of an actual grade? Further, what happens if someone is undertaking a dual degree and tests out of one, but not the other? What happens with the courses that overlap both programs? 

Additionally, is ENEB making it clear that the testing option is only for those people who don't need to use their degrees to qualify for further academic study, or to qualify for certain occupations? Yes, everyone is aware of the degrees' limitations of use in Spain. But, ENEB has many, many students who are not from Spain! 

Has ENEB considered how having ONE fifty question multiple-choice test would devalue of ALL of its degrees? 

Has ENEB considered that, with the introduction of the testing option, it will now be considered a degree mill the world over? 

It would be different if there was a difficult, fifty question multiple-choice exam for each course, but ONE exam of fifty multiple-choice questions for an entire degree is absolutely ridiculous! Why would you make it so EASY?

Is ENEB so greedy for money that it has no regard for how our degrees will be accepted going forward? Is ENEB trying to sabotage us? Students from outside of Spain, and especially in the USA, are already facing problems getting our ENEB master's degrees accepted as full master's degrees. But, when word gets out that ENEB is letting students earn master's degrees by taking a two-hour multiple choice exam, our degrees will become worthless. All the work we did; all the blood, sweat, and tears that we shed to earn our degrees will become worthless! Especially if ENEB does not make any differentiation between the degrees earned the traditional way and those earned by taking the exam.

Please don't let something as simple as a transcript notation get in the way of everyone's best interests! 

Thank you for your time.


The Reply From Evaluations:

Hello [IHatePickingUsernames],

Thank you for sharing your concerns regarding the optional exam methodology at ENEB. We appreciate your input and would like to assure you that the quality and recognition of our degrees, both locally and abroad, will remain unaffected.

ENEB is currently developing a comprehensive system that will evaluate and grade each course completed through the testing option. While exact details are being finalized, we can assure you that the issuing of "Pass" designations is being considered as a feasible grading approach.

It is essential to note that the testing option is intended for individuals who may not require their degrees for further academic pursuits or certain occupations. [Emphasis mine] We understand that a significant number of our students are internationally based, and we are committed to considering the recognition and acceptance of our degrees across various regions.

ENEB takes these concerns seriously, and rest assured, we are fully aware of the potential impact of the testing option on the perceived value of our degrees. Our goal is to maintain the integrity and prestige of our programs, and we are dedicated to ensuring that the testing option does not compromise this. Measures will be taken to avoid any devaluation of our degrees. Additionally, this evaluation method has been traditionally conducted in multiple schools.

We share your passion for protecting the reputation and worth of your hard-earned degrees. Your feedback is invaluable to us, as we continuously strive to enhance the educational experience and maintain the highest standards of quality. Your concerns have been noted, and we will make a concerted effort to address them appropriately.

Thank you for bringing these points to our attention. We value your trust in ENEB, and we are committed to serving the best interests of our students.

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We're going to have to wait and see how things pan out because ENEB is still trying to figure things out, themselves. As my father used to say, that's bass ackwards. I would think that they had every detail figured out before even promoting the option but, apparently, they did not.   

Anyway, if you're American (or want to use your ENEB degrees in America) just do the traditional program. If the worst happens, you will be so, so SOL if you don't have actual grades or an actual transcript, and can't prove you did any work for the degrees because you can't produce your final projects. It's just not worth the risk.

[sanantone]

If the test option is for those who have no further academic or occupational pursuits, does that mean their transcripts will be different?

[CatzCrazy]

I do not understand why would people pay €299 for test option if such degree does not offer option to use it in the future... it does not make any sense

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I do not understand why would people pay €299 for test option if it s completely useless for them in the future? It really does not make any sense