ENEB Master Thread

[eLearner]

While I have known of an MBA that was exam-based (school in Scotland), I don't think I've ever heard of one based on a single exam... and only 50 questions. The propio rules have changed for a few things since we all started discussing it, so this must be something taking advantage of that. But 50 questions? I dunno, those better be the hardest 50 questions ever devised. 500 questions with some essay parts I might be impressed by and consider what it will take to study for that, but 50? Doesn't sound good.

As a North American, I'd stay away from that one myself. I can almost guarantee that no foreign credential evaluator is going to give that anything favorable.

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You know, between this and the deal ENEB has had with MCA, it just feels like they're determined to commit career suicide in the Anglo nations (and with its FCEs), which is bizarre since that's where a big chunk of their money is coming from. Just seems like a better idea to do things that align with the largest market you're targeting. When you do the opposite, it makes no sense.

[KSoul]

I thought it would be one per section. A single exam for an entire degree seems... not the best idea?

I was hoping that’s the case but it does say “It is one exam per Master or MBA”.

Can see the follow-up email after one fails the exam 'For just an additional $75, you can have a second attempt 

[MrPanda]

[bjcheung77]

This is a doozie, I mean you get two attempts, and it's 2 hours for 50 questions. That's really sufficient time to 'search your resources' and get the answers from the materials you have that they provide you (even though it's in many different documents/pdfs). Again, for those who really know the subject and also have writers block, this would be for those type of students. For the majority, the classic way of completing the assignments would be better.

[IHatePickingUsernames]

Is ENEB going to note on the transcript that the degree was earned under the new scheme? My concern is for those of us in the USA, where our degrees aren't fully recognized by FCEs yet. What value our degrees do have will be totally lost because of this, if ENEB doesn't make it clear that the people who choose this new (temporary?) option will have a notation on their transcripts that they didn't complete the traditional program.

If I'm off-base, let me know. I hope I am off-base. A two-hour multiple choice exam of 50 questions screams "diploma mill" to me. I am not okay with this. ENEB should either 1) offer the test per course; or 2) pause admissions until they're no longer overloaded; or 3) raise the price of the degrees to slow down enrollment. 

But, employing degree mill tactics is not the answer. When word gets out about this, all of our degrees will lose value and come under additional scrutiny. We need to band together to let ENEB know this is a bad idea. Because, dollars to donuts, if this "scheme" is successful it's not going to be temporary. ENEB is greedy, and always trying to squeeze more money out of students for an optional this or that. I'm okay with that because their "extras" haven't affected the quality of my degrees. But, I fear that this new thing they're trying to do will negatively affect the quality/reputation of all their degrees.

ENEB is going to have to come up with some way to make it plain that this new option doesn't have the same respect and weight as the traditional/classic option. Otherwise, all the work and sweat that went into us completing the traditional/classic degrees will mean nothing, because they won't be distinguishable from the new ones. I am so pissed right now. 

[KSoul]

Is ENEB going to note on the transcript that the degree was earned under the new scheme? My concern is for those of us in the USA, where our degrees aren't fully recognized by FCEs yet. What value our degrees do have will be totally lost because of this, if ENEB doesn't make it clear that the people who choose this new (temporary?) option will have a notation on their transcripts that they didn't complete the traditional program.

If I'm off-base, let me know. I hope I am off-base. A two-hour multiple choice exam of 50 questions screams "diploma mill" to me. I am not okay with this. ENEB should either 1) offer the test per course; or 2) pause admissions until they're no longer overloaded; or 3) raise the price of the degrees to slow down enrollment. 

But, employing degree mill tactics is not the answer. When word gets out about this, all of our degrees will lose value and come under additional scrutiny. We need to band together to let ENEB know this is a bad idea. Because, dollars to donuts, if this "scheme" is successful it's not going to be temporary. ENEB is greedy, and always trying to squeeze more money out of students for an optional this or that. I'm okay with that because their "extras" haven't affected the quality of my degrees. But, I fear that this new thing they're trying to do will negatively affect the quality/reputation of all their degrees.

ENEB is going to have to come up with some way to make it plain that this new option doesn't have the same respect and weight as the traditional/classic option. Otherwise, all the work and sweat that went into us completing the traditional/classic degrees will mean nothing, because they won't be distinguishable from the new ones. I am so pissed right now. 

I appreciate your post and find it thought-provoking. In the past, some members of this forum have focused on finishing their degrees as quickly as possible. My father was inspired by one such member and was able to complete his degree with support and encouragement from the forum. After that, he learned of other members who had completed their master's degrees in just one term and was again motivated to do the same. He finished his first master's degree in one term and his second in one month due to credit overlap.

My story is similar in that I was also inspired by early stories of members completing their degrees in record time. I believed if they could do it, I could. Although my story has been shared on this forum, I won't recount it now. The critical thing to remember is that even if some people finish their degrees quickly, and others take years to do the same, the degree is still respected per its RA/NA/evaluation by all who earned it, regardless of how long it took. 

Regarding your comment on the exam structure, I share your sentiment. However, I choose to be happy for those who can successfully improve their situations.

[MrPanda]

In Portugal, I have been enrolled in a Master program where each course had 1 exam, and that was all the grade. And you needed to score at least 10 on a 0-20 scale.

They are requiring a 5, are they using a 0-10 scale? It would be a similar grading scale as the one used Portugal.

[krunccrni]

Wow... This is probably the only school where you can earn 90 ECTS in 50 minutes. This is not going to sound good to a future employer or college where I want to use my ECTS. For 60 ECTS it is common that you need one year, and now we have ability to shrink one and half years in 50 minutes?!? I am not happy with this. And btw who is studying Global MBA and how did you apply for it?

[Thorne]

Yeah, I'm not thrilled by this offer either. I busted my hump to write those papers, this just devalues the whole thing. I could imagine one exam per unit or something, but one exam for the whole degree?

I specifically didn't go after those offers that were not endorsed by a university because a university at least gives the sense that there is some quality control.

[eLearner]

If I'm off-base, let me know. I hope I am off-base. A two-hour multiple choice exam of 50 questions screams "diploma mill" to me. I am not okay with this. ENEB should either 1) offer the test per course; or 2) pause admissions until they're no longer overloaded; or 3) raise the price of the degrees to slow down enrollment.

And I think you hit the nail right on the head as to what is happening here. I suspect the same thing, especially considering how they put a 3-month window on it. That says to me it's probably their high season and they're using this as a way to capitalize while reducing the workload instead of hiring more people.

With regard to your other sentiments, agreed. This is going to destroy the legitimacy of the whole operation, and once the FCE's catch wind of it they will be blacklisted by every FCE in North America, guaranteed. And if Isabel is allowing this and it's not just something ENEB is doing without their knowledge, then Isabel has to be questioned, too. Earlier, I spoke about the possibility of this being in keeping with propio rules, but as I thought about it, I had a hard time believing that this is legal in Spain. ECTS hour totals are a fairly straightforward standard, and this is a ridiculous shortcut that just can't be in line with it. Unless it works a totally different way than I'm familiar with, you cannot complete that many ECTS hours based on a 2-hour, 50 question exam.

The move to offer incredibly inexpensive degree programs worked for them, and it worked so well that they have more students than they can handle. I got that impression from hearing about the very long diploma turnaround times. This is definitely not the answer to that. Not 50 questions. If they're going to do something like this, make it way more challenging and intense than that. Make it a test so deep it takes days to finish it, make it a test per each section, 50 questions per SECTION, AND have a final essay attached, and then they may have something. But just 50 questions? Total? Yeah, that's just a mill move. This is ridiculous, lol.