ENEB Master Thread

[eLearner]

I think he may have meant, did they send just the ENEB diploma and ENEB transcript? Or just the Isabel diploma and ENEB transcript?

Now that I think of it, the question is a little more interesting because upon examining both public documents I see that both evaluations were done by the same person. So it really is a point of curiosity as to whether the same submitted materials yielded different results in terms of the school name used, or if different materials were sent which yielded different results.

[cacoleman1983]

I think he may have meant, did they send just the ENEB diploma and ENEB transcript? Or just the Isabel diploma and ENEB transcript?

Now that I think of it, the question is a little more interesting because upon examining both public documents I see that both evaluations were done by the same person. So it really is a point of curiosity as to whether the same submitted materials yielded different results in terms of the school name used, or if different materials were sent which yielded different results.

With the first evaluation, I'm thinking that the evaluator may have looked at everything as an Isabel I document and evaluated everything coming from Isabel I since that is the accredited partner in the school relationship.  This evaluation had more information about the school Isabel I as an accredited institution. 

On the second go around,  that same evaluator probably decided to acknowledge both schools because Isabel I is the accreditor but if you notice there was no discussion about ENEB as an accredited institution because ENEB is not independently accredited but is being viewed as a school housed in an accredited institution. The foreign grades were even included in the translation to the US grades. The second one is better than the first one as a more accurate display.

[ashkir]

I think he may have meant, did they send just the ENEB diploma and ENEB transcript? Or just the Isabel diploma and ENEB transcript?

Now that I think of it, the question is a little more interesting because upon examining both public documents I see that both evaluations were done by the same person. So it really is a point of curiosity as to whether the same submitted materials yielded different results in terms of the school name used, or if different materials were sent which yielded different results.

With the first evaluation, I'm thinking that the evaluator may have looked at everything as an Isabel I document and evaluated everything coming from Isabel I since that is the accredited partner in the school relationship.  This evaluation had more information about the school Isabel I as an accredited institution. 

On the second go around,  that same evaluator probably decided to acknowledge both schools because Isabel I is the accreditor but if you notice there was no discussion about ENEB as an accredited institution because ENEB is not independently accredited but is being viewed as a school housed in an accredited institution. The foreign grades were even included in the translation to the US grades. The second one is better than the first one as a more accurate display.

I also sent my results / diploma from ENEB with a statement from ENEB about Isabel, because, as of right now, Isabel's Rector's version will take around 4-5 months to process a request. So, ENEB did the transcript and diploma confirmation for me. 

I prefer the version I got, because it recognizes ENEB.

[eLearner]

With the first evaluation, I'm thinking that the evaluator may have looked at everything as an Isabel I document and evaluated everything coming from Isabel I since that is the accredited partner in the school relationship.  This evaluation had more information about the school Isabel I as an accredited institution. 

On the second go around,  that same evaluator probably decided to acknowledge both schools because Isabel I is the accreditor but if you notice there was no discussion about ENEB as an accredited institution because ENEB is not independently accredited but is being viewed as a school housed in an accredited institution. The foreign grades were even included in the translation to the US grades. The second one is better than the first one as a more accurate display.

That thinking is logical and fair. In the same way that we're learning, the evaluators are learning over time as well which can only be a good thing as more opportunities open up.

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I also sent my results / diploma from ENEB with a statement from ENEB about Isabel, because, as of right now, Isabel's Rector's version will take around 4-5 months to process a request. So, ENEB did the transcript and diploma confirmation for me. 

I prefer the version I got, because it recognizes ENEB.

What's in the written evaluation speaks to an earlier concern brought up in another thread about ENEB not being mentioned. Well, now it has been mentioned and the result is the same. I think it's fantastic.

[cacoleman1983]

With the first evaluation, I'm thinking that the evaluator may have looked at everything as an Isabel I document and evaluated everything coming from Isabel I since that is the accredited partner in the school relationship.  This evaluation had more information about the school Isabel I as an accredited institution. 

On the second go around,  that same evaluator probably decided to acknowledge both schools because Isabel I is the accreditor but if you notice there was no discussion about ENEB as an accredited institution because ENEB is not independently accredited but is being viewed as a school housed in an accredited institution. The foreign grades were even included in the translation to the US grades. The second one is better than the first one as a more accurate display.

That thinking is logical and fair. In the same way that we're learning, the evaluators are learning over time as well which can only be a good thing as more opportunities open up.

When reflecting on the previous evaluations through other NACES companies, the problem was them not evaluating both ENEB and Universidad Isabel I as a joint entity.  Evaluating Isabel I by itself led to accreditation without full academic (Masters degree) recognition.   Evaluating ENEB by itself led to a Masters degree without accreditation.    Combining them leads to full recognition, Masters from a regionally accredited school equivalency. 

It may not only be bias but possible ignorance on evaluators' part because they don't want to evaluate validation credentials or give full recognition for Propios degrees. However, we finally got the result we are looking for and NACES evaluators might get on board by listing both of these institutions as a joint entity on their reports as well as see Validential's report and second their result when necessary.

Having this Validential report will be a good selling point for ENEB which will likely increase their enrollment and bring Validential more business. Those interested in ENEB need to enroll because these 90%+ scholarships/discounts will eventually disappear or become significantly lower if this equivalency report becomes a promotional point.

[eLearner]

When reflecting on the previous evaluations through other NACES companies, the problem was them not evaluating both ENEB and Universidad Isabel I as a joint entity.  Evaluating Isabel I by itself led to accreditation without full academic (Masters degree) recognition.   Evaluating ENEB by itself led to a Masters degree without accreditation.    Combining them leads to full recognition, Masters from a regionally accredited school equivalency. 

It may not only be  bias but possible ignorance on evaluators' part because they don't want to evaluate validation credentials or give full recognition for Propios degrees.

Yeah, some evaluators have taken a stance that they won't evaluate any propio for anything more than credit. I've never agreed with that thinking because the main point of an evaluation in this context is to determine whether or not a program is equivalent to a U.S. RA program or a U.S. unaccredited program. Taking blanket positions on foreign programs is questionable at best. It contradicts the whole concept evaluators chant of not evaluating something before an actual evaluation is done.

The thing is, evaluations are supposed to be based primarily on the program one studied. Evaluators can and have at times deemed unaccredited school program from other countries as equivalent to RA because they evaluated the program taken and took that into chief consideration above all. This is why ECE deemed this program equivalent to a U.S. regionally accredited program. They judged the program on its own. I think that's an important point some of the detractors need to consider. What a program is in one country doesn't necessarily mean it will be deemed that way in another and that can either mean something good or something bad. Heck, the ECE evaluation taught us that: It's a Master's in Spain (good), but by ECE's decision it's an RA Bachelor's in the United States (not bad but not as good). On the other hand, Validential says it's an RA Master's in the United States (good), but WES says it's a U.S. non-accredited Master's (not so good).

In the end, each evaluator will have its own perspective. Luckily, there are plenty to choose from.

[Kal Di]

It's very likely that the other ENEB master degrees will receive the same foreign evaluation from Validential.

As noted elsewhere on this forum, a Validential evaluation is accepted by the Department of Education in Illinois and Louisiana, and several accredited U.S. colleges and universities. Additionally, it may be accepted to meet educational and employer requirements at other places. You just need to ask!

Ashkir said that "[his] university [said] Validential is an acceptable foreign accreditation validation" (https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid370026), and I don't think the university stated on their website that they accept Validential.

Having this Validential report will be a good selling point for ENEB which will likely increase their enrollment and bring Validential more business. Those interested in ENEB need to enroll because these 90%+ scholarships/discounts will eventually disappear or become significantly lower if this equivalency report becomes a promotional point.

I'm glad that I'm among the many ENEB students who bought 2 master's degrees for $199 (or in total, buying 3 of them for $400). I agree these degrees won't always be priced so low. It won't be long before one master degree costs $1,999 (still a good price in the USA) and then eventually to their target price of $7,600.

I saw that IACEI (a NACES member) evaluated an Azteca University doctorate degree (titulo propio) as an equivalent to a doctorate degree from a regionally accredited U.S. university. Such evaluation makes me believe that an ENEB master's degree will receive a similar evaluation. I'll have to finish my degree to find out...

[eLearner]

I'm glad that I'm among the many ENEB students who bought 2 master's degrees for $199 (or in total, buying 3 of them for $400). I agree these degrees won't always be priced so low. It won't be long before one master degree costs $1,999 (still a good price in the USA) and then eventually to their target price of $7,600.

I saw that IACEI (a NACES member) evaluated an Azteca University doctorate degree (titulo propio) as an equivalent to a doctorate degree from a regionally accredited U.S. university. Such evaluation makes me believe that an ENEB master's degree will receive a similar evaluation. I'll have to finish my degree to find out...

That's great! Can you share where you saw this information? 

A little while back on DI, I read a recent IEE (NACES member) evaluation that deemed a Doctorate from UCN as equivalent to a U.S. regionally accredited Doctorate.

[cacoleman1983]

I'm glad that I'm among the many ENEB students who bought 2 master's degrees for $199 (or in total, buying 3 of them for $400). I agree these degrees won't always be priced so low. It won't be long before one master degree costs $1,999 (still a good price in the USA) and then eventually to their target price of $7,600.

I saw that IACEI (a NACES member) evaluated an Azteca University doctorate degree (titulo propio) as an equivalent to a doctorate degree from a regionally accredited U.S. university. Such evaluation makes me believe that an ENEB master's degree will receive a similar evaluation. I'll have to finish my degree to find out...

That's great! Can you share where you saw this information? 

A little while back on DI, I read a recent IEE (NACES member) evaluation that deemed a Doctorate from UCN as equivalent to a U.S. regionally accredited Doctorate.

That was me that shared that IEE gave Azteca, not UCN, the equivalent to a US regionally accredited Doctorate but they also gave most programs a non-accredited program evaluation because they didn't have the RVOE (government accreditation).  All of UCN's degrees are suppose to be evaluated as regionally accredited because all of their degrees are considered official and recognized by the government due to their autonomous nature.  This is about to change though as several Nicaragua schools have closed in the past year and they are about to do some revamping where they may not partner with Azteca and other schools any longer.

All current students such as myself will be grandfathered in and should still receive their degrees through both the Azteca and UCN partnership with a regionally accredited equivalent.   My Azteca degree alone will receive a regionally accredited equivalent because their Doctorate of Education program has RVOE.

It is good to know that yet another NACES evaluator has given Azteca the regionally accredited equivalent even with programs without RVOE although I have not seen the other evaluation as they may or may not have added the non-accredited program status due to lack of RVOE. Validential gave Azteca full recognition without reference to RVOE status.

[eLearner]

That was me that shared that IEE gave Azteca, not UCN, the equivalent to a US regionally accredited Doctorate but they also gave most programs a non-accredited program evaluation because they didn't have the RVOE (government accreditation).

I actually wasn't aware of that Azteca evaluation. Good info! Is there a document online that can be referenced? If so I'd like to have it: I'm actually gathering them as I find them so I can quickly make references without searching online each time.

About the Doctorate, I was referring to this one from UCN: https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?thr...537/page-6

^ The thread went nuts because there is always pushback against foreign programs for some reason, but ultimately it was proven that the degree was evaluated by IEE as equivalent to regionally accredited.

 This is about to change though as several Nicaragua schools have closed in the past year and they are about to do some revamping where they may not partner with Azteca and other schools any longer.

I think cutting some partnerships would be for the best. UCN went too far with that, got hooked up with some murky places, and got themselves blacklisted at a few evaluators, WES being the biggest.