ENEB Master Thread

[bjcheung77]

I think that we are down to the bare essentials of what we have for ENEB’s valuation. No hyperboles, no spin, etc
This is what I think we have for evaluation in North America – which has no consequences to ENEB’s status in Spain – separate issues.
1. A poster alluding that someone may have received graduate-level coursework credits from ECE. Correct me, but the person who received those credits has never posted on degreeforum or even on DI. Uncertain if this can be verified.
2. Another poster did an evaluation from WES and received a non-accredited master's and non-accredited institution. This evaluation can be verified.
3. Two top-quality posters sent and received emails from IEE that ENEB’s master's may likely be evaluated as a graduate certificate – but nothing official has been done so no reliance can be placed on this. The sources of these two queries can be verified.
Is there anything else that is verifiable?

1) In the megathread, Dee12 finished a Masters in Project Management and it was evaluated at ECE as an undergraduate Bachelors (RA equivalent)
2) I think it was you or someone else who did the WES evaluation and got that as an unrecognized or non-accredited foreign Masters degree
3) Yes, I've been emailing the NACES organizations to find out for people who are curious, not just myself.

Working on my last class and I'll send it to IEE and report back

Thank you so much for doing this! BTW, Which one did you enroll in? MBA and Masters Big Data & BI?

[openair]

I think that a lot of bickering over Universidad Isabel I – ENEB is basically the result of forum members looking at the issue from two completely different starting points.

First starting point: UI1/ENEB degree is primarily a higher education credential and should be judged as such. (expectation: If I don’t get a good evaluation, the higher education credential is worthless, close to worthless, or overhyped).

Second starting point: UI1/ENEB degree is primarily an employment credential and should be judged as such. (expectation: If I don’t get the employment credential recognized as equivalent to a bona fide higher education credential in my country, it’s not a big deal. It can still serve the employment function).

The people who take the second starting point (myself included) do not deny that the degree may also secondarily function as a higher education credential and possibly give those extra benefits (credit transfer, recognition by other schools, admission to degree programs, doctoral degree entry, etc.), but see those benefits only as an extra possibility, something that isn’t guaranteed to those who enroll in the program. These benefits aren’t provided in Spain, for example.

It seems to me that if you take the first starting point, you are much more likely to be seriously disappointed when you start hearing about some U.S. or Canadian credential evaluation agencies turning the degree down and listing it as unaccredited.

So, is there a good reason to prefer the second starting point? I believe so. Paradoxically, the reason is given by credential evaluation agencies themselves!

Notice how the representatives of the most strict credential evaluation agencies, those that do not recognize the Spanish titulo propio degree as equivalent to any U.S. or Canadian degree-level credential, speak about it:

The [fill in the blank} school is “a private entity that awards degrees and diplomas which exist outside the official titles sanctioned by the Ministry of Education and Science (MOES) in Spain. Because the School operates outside the purview of the MOES, these degree titles are not officially sanctioned by the government of Spain, and are not officially recognized, though they are valued by private employers…ACEI finally confirmed, after corresponding with the issuing institution, that this is a título propio program, which most evaluators agree are designed for employment purposes, not higher education.” (Source: https://www.scholaro.com/newsletters/The...l-2016.pdf).

[cacoleman1983]

I think that a lot of bickering over Universidad Isabel I – ENEB is basically the result of forum members looking at the issue from two completely different starting points.

First starting point: UI1/ENEB degree is primarily a higher education credential and should be judged as such. (expectation: If I don’t get a good evaluation, the higher education credential is worthless, close to worthless, or overhyped).

Second starting point: UI1/ENEB degree is primarily an employment credential and should be judged as such. (expectation: If I don’t get the employment credential recognized as equivalent to a bona fide higher education credential in my country, it’s not a big deal. It can still serve the employment function).

The people who take the second starting point (myself included) do not deny that the degree may also secondarily function as a higher education credential and possibly give those extra benefits (credit transfer, recognition by other schools, admission to degree programs, doctoral degree entry, etc.), but see those benefits only as an extra possibility, something that isn’t guaranteed to those who enroll in the program. These benefits aren’t provided in Spain, for example.

It seems to me that if you take the first starting point, you are much more likely to be seriously disappointed when you start hearing about some U.S. or Canadian credential evaluation agencies turning the degree down and listing it as unaccredited.

So, is there a good reason to prefer the second starting point? I believe so. Paradoxically, the reason is given by credential evaluation agencies themselves!

Notice how the representatives of the most strict credential evaluation agencies, those that do not recognize the Spanish titulo propio degree as equivalent to any U.S. or Canadian degree-level credential, speak about it:

The [fill in the blank} school is “a private entity that awards degrees and diplomas which exist outside the official titles sanctioned by the Ministry of Education and Science (MOES) in Spain. Because the School operates outside the purview of the MOES, these degree titles are not officially sanctioned by the government of Spain, and are not officially recognized, though they are valued by private employers…ACEI finally confirmed, after corresponding with the issuing institution, that this is a título propio program, which most evaluators agree are designed for employment purposes, not higher education.” (Source: https://www.scholaro.com/newsletters/The...l-2016.pdf).

Great points here!   The ENEB degree was not designed for higher education.    We are lucky to get any recognition outside of non-accredited or "no recognition" from any foreign credential evaluators as any accreditation through Universdidad Isabel I for transfer credit or degree recognition of any kind actually gives the degree more weight than what it was designed for.   In some ways, ENEB is designed to be like a MOOC that mimics a degree but the coursework itself allows for some level of accreditation and recognition for academic purposes.  Either way, the cost of the degree is an absolute steal.

As far as employment purposes, the US, UK, and Canada are quite similar to Spain in many ways. Employers in the private sector only care rather or not your degree is legitimate and can be verified. Accreditation while important will likely be viewed secondarily provided you can prove your aptitude for the job. Also, trainings and professional development in general can be met through a non-accredited degree. Putting a Master Propio on a resume, CV, or LinkedIN profile as just a Masters degree even though non-accredited will likely render the same results for job prospects and hiring outcomes here in the USA for private industries as it would in Spain.

[Kal Di]

Notice how the representatives of the most strict credential evaluation agencies, those that do not recognize the Spanish titulo propio degree as equivalent to any U.S. or Canadian degree-level credential, speak about it:

The [fill in the blank} school is “a private entity that awards degrees and diplomas which exist outside the official titles sanctioned by the Ministry of Education and Science (MOES) in Spain. Because the School operates outside the purview of the MOES, these degree titles are not officially sanctioned by the government of Spain, and are not officially recognized, though they are valued by private employers…ACEI finally confirmed, after corresponding with the issuing institution, that this is a título propio program, which most evaluators agree are designed for employment purposes, not higher education.” (Source: https://www.scholaro.com/newsletters/The...l-2016.pdf).

I'll add a título propio degree is probably the best for jobs outside of government institutions and Fortune / Forbes / Inc. 500 companies. After removing government and Fortune / Forbes / Inc. 500 employers from the job search, there are still more than 50% of private employers that would recognize a person's título propio degree as a legit education credential.

If a person doesn't intend to work for a government institution or very big company, a UI1 / ENEB degree is a great value for people who want a very affordable master's degree.

[cacoleman1983]

Notice how the representatives of the most strict credential evaluation agencies, those that do not recognize the Spanish titulo propio degree as equivalent to any U.S. or Canadian degree-level credential, speak about it:

The [fill in the blank} school is “a private entity that awards degrees and diplomas which exist outside the official titles sanctioned by the Ministry of Education and Science (MOES) in Spain. Because the School operates outside the purview of the MOES, these degree titles are not officially sanctioned by the government of Spain, and are not officially recognized, though they are valued by private employers…ACEI finally confirmed, after corresponding with the issuing institution, that this is a título propio program, which most evaluators agree are designed for employment purposes, not higher education.” (Source: https://www.scholaro.com/newsletters/The...l-2016.pdf).

I'll add a título propio degree is probably the best for jobs outside of government institutions and Fortune / Forbes / Inc. 500 companies. After removing government and Fortune / Forbes / Inc. 500 employers from the job search, there are still more than 50% of private employers that would recognize a person's título propio degree as a legit education credential.  

If a person doesn't intend to work for a government institution or very big company, a UI1 / ENEB degree is a great value for people who want a very affordable master's degree.

Accreditation is important but doesn't matter much for private industries even here in the USA.   As long as your degree is legitimate and verifiable you have a fighting chance of getting a position as a Master Titulo Propio is practically equivalent to a reputable non-accredited Masters degree.  ENEB degree's price is roughly that of an MOOC with the benefit of being recognized as a degree because you put the work in for it and foreign credential evaluators recognize that regardless of the varying ambiguous results which are all still positive depending on one's goals. I'm still thinking a lot about doing one of their programs.

[Kal Di]

ENEB either has new or hidden master's degree programs. One is a master's in innovation and entrepreneurship. The other is a master's in coaching, emotional intelligence, and NLP.

On OfertaSimple, they are offering a MBA and +1 other master degree combo for $199.

https://www.ofertasimple.com/en/ofertas/...-21may22-e

The promotion ends in 8 hours.

I bought the offer for the master's in coaching, emotional intelligence, and NLP. I'm not really interested in the MBA, but maybe I will feel different about it later.

[jsd]

Accreditation is important but doesn't matter much for private industries even here in the USA.   As long as your degree is legitimate and verifiable

When people say legitimate degree in the US, they at minimum mean accredited. There are very limited situations where anyone on this board would even think about recommending a non-accredited US institution.

This is a great illustration of my earlier point about the mental gymnastics that are done in regards to ENEB.

There are plenty of private trainings, non-accredited MOOCs, and and other skills courses we would recommend. But we don't pretend they are anything that they are not.

[cacoleman1983]

When people say legitimate degree in the US, they at minimum mean accredited. There are very limited situations where anyone on this board would even think about recommending a non-accredited US institution.

This is a great illustration of my earlier point about the mental gymnastics that are done in regards to ENEB.

There are plenty of private training, non-accredited MOOCs, and and other skills courses we would recommend. But we don't pretend they are anything that they are not.

Here in the US accredited does mean legitimate unless it is an accreditation mill.  However, there are situations where an institution is pre-accredited or state-authorized.  The federal government recognizes pre-accredited universities and degrees for employment.   A non-accredited status from a foreign credential evaluation could mean state-authorized or pre-accredited in a vast majority of cases.  A diploma mill would be a downright "no recognition".  Degrees of pre-accredited or state-authorized status may still be accepted by schools and/or employers.

Non-accredited and diploma mill are not the same. The non-accredited (state approved/authorized) degree is a lot like the propio as far as limitations and utilization because if it is a recognized educational institution by the state with no accreditation, you could still use it in some cases based on that particular state in the same fields as Spain with the Propio. Only difference is the perception from one entity to another.

This is in no way a reason to pursue a degree that is non-accredited or recommend one that is non-accredited.   My point is non-accredited degrees that are state-authorized or pre-accredited are legitimate and are not necessarily worthless.

[bjcheung77]

ENEB either has new or hidden master's degree programs. One is a master's in innovation and entrepreneurship. The other is a master's in coaching, emotional intelligence, and NLP.

On OfertaSimple, they are offering a MBA and +1 other master degree combo for $199.

https://www.ofertasimple.com/en/ofertas/...-21may22-e

The promotion ends in 8 hours.

I bought the offer for the master's in coaching, emotional intelligence, and NLP. I'm not really interested in the MBA, but maybe I will feel different about it later.

Do you speak Portuguese or Spanish? I just logged into their English Campus site and those programs are not in the list... So I think it's only available for those on the Portuguese and/or Spanish system. Oh well, nothing lost on this side, it would be interesting though if they "add" it to the English site. When you start the program, can you let us know if it's in English or not. Thanks!

[eLearner]

When people say legitimate degree in the US, they at minimum mean accredited. There are very limited situations where anyone on this board would even think about recommending a non-accredited US institution.

This is a great illustration of my earlier point about the mental gymnastics that are done in regards to ENEB.

There are plenty of private training, non-accredited MOOCs, and and other skills courses we would recommend. But we don't pretend they are anything that they are not.

Here in the US accredited does mean legitimate unless it is an accreditation mill.  However, there are situations where an institution is pre-accredited or state-authorized.  The federal government recognizes pre-accredited universities and degrees for employment.   A non-accredited status from a foreign credential evaluation could mean state-authorized or pre-accredited in a vast majority of cases.  A diploma mill would be a downright "no recognition".  Degrees of pre-accredited or state-authorized status may still be accepted by schools and/or employers.

Non-accredited and diploma mill are not the same. The non-accredited (state approved/authorized) degree is a lot like the propio as far as limitations and utilization because if it is a recognized educational institution by the state with no accreditation, you could still use it in some cases based on that particular state in the same fields as Spain with the Propio.  Only difference is the perception from one entity to another.

This is in no way a reason to pursue a degree that is non-accredited or recommend one that is non-accredited.   My point is non-accredited degrees that are state-authorized or pre-accredited are legitimate and are not necessarily worthless.

Although I agree with you, unfortunately, depending on who you ask this changes. Some believe that it's only legitimate if it's regionally accredited, so out the window goes any nationally accredited or unaccredited programs. That's complete nonsense of course, but there are people who believe that.

I don't really understand the debate on this now though given all of the known information we have. With any foreign degree, if a person wants recognition from a U.S. educational institution or state board, they're going to need a positive foreign degree evaluation and those outcomes can vary. With the school in question, we have known outcomes. There is nothing more to really debate on at this point:

https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/ENEB