ENEB Master Thread

[Kab]

I'm thinking about contacting SpanTran or IEE and see how they would evaluate MCA validation and Universidad Isabel I certification of ENEB.  You get graduate credit evaluated from both of them but I wonder would they give a Masters degree w/ accreditation equivalency if both are presented with the ENEB diploma and transcript.

I can't see anything coming from that. The evaluators are going to evaluate the ENEB degree as its own standalone credential just as they do right now. MCA will be issuing its own degree and--if I understand the information correctly--its own transcript, all of which is American-based and not eligible for foreign degree evaluation. The evaluators may take outside relationships into consideration but MCA will be looked at as a separate situation as well and wouldn't have any changing effect on the ENEB degree evaluation... that is, unless MCA goes bad and then ENEB could get itself blacklisted due to bad associations.

ECE evaluated the ENEB degree as coming from Universidad Isabel I with the wrong degree but RA accreditation. I guess one would need to pick which school they want evaluated out of the two.   WES ignored the Universidad Isabel I certification although my analysis points to it being used to give it a Masters degree equivalency without accreditation since ENEB nor the Master Propio itself is official.   Regardless of how interesting this all is and very confusing, a vast majority of people will not need an evaluation since they are already in the US.   A non accredited degree outside of academia still counts in the professional world as many in job postings don't distinguish between accredited and non accredited.  Provided that it is a reputable school, it ultimately won't matter even for government jobs because it is still legitimate training.

That is a good point with the ECE evaluation. I've never really been sure if that set a precedent for ECE with this program, or if it was a one-off situation. I think they confused everybody with not just the Bachelor's equivalency decision, but how they arrived at it.

They arrive to the bachelor degree for the 4 years usa vs 3 years europe bachelor's. And then the 4th year is the master. Is a wrong asumtion in my opinions. Not only because spain has mostly 4 year bachelors at the moment, but because the degrees in europa and usa start at a diferent level after high school. Which ia another thema altogether. But better than nothing.... Is RA Acredited.

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[Vle045]

I was just thinking about all this. I can understand why it might be considered a bachelors degree. During the enrollment process, there was absolutely no request for any records showing that I have earned a degree prior to this. And you can’t just go for an MBA without first having a bachelor’s degree.
I signed up just to try to learn and see how well I would do. Maybe I will finish, maybe I won’t. Maybe I will flunk out. Who knows? Either way, I still think it is worth the price.

[cacoleman1983]

I was just thinking about all this.  I can understand why it might be considered a bachelors degree.  During the enrollment process, there was absolutely no request for any records showing that I have earned a degree prior to this.  And you can’t just go for an MBA without first having a bachelor’s degree.
I signed up just to try to learn and see how well I would do.  Maybe I will finish, maybe I won’t.  Maybe I will flunk out.  Who knows?  Either way, I still think it is worth the price.

That is part of the reason it is considered a top-up bachelors from ECE.   Another reason is that since the Masters degree is unofficially awarded from Universidad Isabel I as a propio, you cannot use the credits earned in a Masters propio to transfer into another Spanish official Masters degree at Isabel I or any other Spanish institution.  From what was discussed in the sister forum,  it was discovered that credits from the propio can only be used towards bachelors level courses.  While ECE explained it as being a fourth year undergraduate equivalent instead of first year graduate level, they may have known the policy of Universidad Isabel I only allowing credits in propio to count as undergraduate transfer to any other program.

If this is evaluated through ENEB alone, it would get a non-accredited Masters equivalent here in the US.  Other evaluators may take it as graduate credits but not equivalent to a US Masters degree.   Either way all of these are good outcomes for the price.  MCA may be trying to make the propio Masters official so when all documents including Isabel I and ENEB are combined, it could possibly get the US accredited masters equivalent.

Ultimately, it won't matter for most here in the US who already have degrees in other fields.   Most employers won't even care as long as it is coming from a reputable institution.

[eLearner]

I was just thinking about all this.  I can understand why it might be considered a bachelors degree.  During the enrollment process, there was absolutely no request for any records showing that I have earned a degree prior to this.  And you can’t just go for an MBA without first having a bachelor’s degree.
I signed up just to try to learn and see how well I would do.  Maybe I will finish, maybe I won’t.  Maybe I will flunk out.  Who knows?  Either way, I still think it is worth the price.

That's strange because every student who's discussed the process mentioned the system upload that shows when you first login asking for ID and transcripts. If you haven't logged into the program yet that might be why, or if you have then the system may have malfunctioned.

In any case, it's possible to skip undergrad degrees in some countries and it's considered normal in those places. Some have even done it in the United States but it's very rare here.

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That is part of the reason it is considered a top-up bachelors from ECE.   Another reason is that since the Masters degree is unofficially awarded from Universidad Isabel I as a propio, you cannot use the credits earned in a Masters propio to transfer into another Spanish official Masters degree at Isabel I or any other Spanish institution.  From what was discussed in the sister forum,  it was discovered that credits from the propio can only be used towards bachelors level courses.  While ECE explained it as being a fourth year undergraduate equivalent instead of first year graduate level, they may have known the policy of Universidad Isabel I only allowing credits in propio to count as undergraduate transfer to any other program.

If this is evaluated through ENEB alone, it would get a non-accredited Masters equivalent here in the US.  Other evaluators may take it as graduate credits but not equivalent to a US Masters degree.   Either way all of these are good outcomes for the price.  MCA may be trying to make the propio Masters official so when all documents including Isabel I and ENEB are combined, it could possibly get the US accredited masters equivalent.

Ultimately, it won't matter for most here in the US who already have degrees in other fields.   Most employers won't even care as long as it is coming from a reputable institution.

I don't recall what Vle045 mentioned being a reason ECE gave for their decision. I just remember a long and convoluted tale with the most memorable part of the reasoning being that ENEB allows 3-year Bachelor's degree holders to be admitted, which should have no bearing on that since schools in the United States allow students from the UK with 3-year Bachelor's degrees to be admitted all the time.

It's important to look at the MCA degree for what it is: a standalone U.S. credential. It won't make a propio itself official, or have much if any effect on evaluator's decisions. And since it can't be evaluated by a foreign degree evaluation service its acceptance will be entirely up to the school a student is applying to. That of course is a good thing because this will give students far more transfer options than they would have being at the mercy of the foreign credential evaluators who are all seemingly working in concert against low-cost foreign programs and not just propios from Spain. Some are coming up with ridiculous reasons not to give them their proper credit.

[cacoleman1983]

I don't recall what Vle045 mentioned being a reason ECE gave for their decision. I just remember a long and convoluted tale with the most memorable part of the reasoning being that ENEB allows 3-year Bachelor's degree holders to be admitted, which should have no bearing on that since schools in the United States allow students from the UK with 3-year Bachelor's degrees to be admitted all the time

It's important to look at the MCA degree for what it is: a standalone U.S. credential. It won't make a propio itself official, or have much if any effect on evaluator's decisions. And since it can't be evaluated by a foreign degree evaluation service its acceptance will be entirely up to the school a student is applying to. That of course is a good thing because this will give students far more transfer options than they would have being at the mercy of the foreign credential evaluators who are all seemingly working in concert against low-cost foreign programs and not just propios from Spain. Some are coming up with ridiculous reasons not to give them their proper credit.

Yeah it seems that the MCA deal is like the UCN deal with validation except that they are not accredited.  I'm guessing a person might as well just get the WES evaluation over the MCA deal since it is cheaper if nothing else better can come out of it as both ENEB and MCA Masters degrees by themselves are equivalent to a state-approved Masters degree. Better yet for all Americans, leave it alone unless an evaluation is requested.   VIe045 mentioned ENEB not requiring transcripts upfront when enrolling in their program and I took that as a reason why an evaluator may discount their program by giving it a lower equivalency then they should.

[eLearner]

Yeah it seems that the MCA deal is like the UCN deal with validation except that they are not accredited.  I'm guessing a person might as well just get the WES evaluation over the MCA deal since it is cheaper if nothing else better can come out of it as both ENEB and MCA Masters degrees by themselves are equivalent to a state-approved Masters degree. Better yet for all Americans, leave it alone unless an evaluation is requested.   VIe045 mentioned ENEB not requiring transcripts upfront when enrolling in their program and I took that as a reason why an evaluator may discount their program by giving it a lower equivalency then they should.

Uh-oh, hold the phone: I just got some emails back from ENEB about the MCA deal and the information is totally contrary to josephaugustus' earlier post:

Dear (private)

Unfortunately, MCA are not able to provide copies of transcripts. You will receive the transcript from ENEB but the partnership with MCA includes diplomas only.


We remain at your disposal for any further information.


Kind regards,

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Dear (private),

We cannot confirm what has been written in the forum. 

ENEB can provide a digital copy of your transcript upon completion of your course but MCA may only provide the diploma.


We remain at your disposal for any further information.


Kind regards,
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Dear (private),

We have no record of that email coming from us and cannot confirm where he received the information from. The policy has not changed since we began our partnership with MCA.


We remain at your disposal for any further information.


Kind regards,

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... Somebody's got some 'splainin to do, lol!

[Vle045]

Seriously, the MCA thing is useless. I don’t know why they even bothered with it. The MCA website looks like some uneducated person with a poor command of the English language put it together. At best, it looks like a foreign entity bought a PO Box in the US just so they can say they are located in the USA. If I were a hiring manager, I would doubt any credibility. I am not saying that my perception is fact.... but I am saying that MCA is not impressive by any means.

[cacoleman1983]

Seriously, the MCA thing is useless.  I don’t know why they even bothered with it.  The MCA website looks like some uneducated person with a poor command of the English language put it together.  At best, it looks like a foreign entity bought a PO Box in the US just so they can say they are located in the USA.   If I were a hiring manager, I would doubt any credibility.   I am not saying that my perception is fact.... but I am saying that MCA is not impressive by any means.

Well this certainly makes it worthless especially when the MCA validation cost more than the ENEB degree itself and you are not getting any added value to have it.  Might as well stick with a foreign evaluator rather than having a validated piece of paper coming from an non-accredited school.

[eLearner]

JosephAugustus said he got a file from them. Hopefully he'll come back through and shed some light on this by posting that file for us to examine.

No transcript from MCA, no point, which was my original take. I wouldn't look to MCA to be impressive, most degrees outside the Ivy League or the like aren't going to impress so a virtually unknown unaccredited school won't. But the real value of the degree from MCA would've been the sidestepping of the foreign evaluation and going straight to schools that allow unaccredited Master's degrees for Doctoral admission. But no school will do that without a transcript and submitting ENEBs will be rejected because it's not from MCA.

[monchevy]

Seriously, the MCA thing is useless.  I don’t know why they even bothered with it.  The MCA website looks like some uneducated person with a poor command of the English language put it together.  At best, it looks like a foreign entity bought a PO Box in the US just so they can say they are located in the USA.   If I were a hiring manager, I would doubt any credibility.   I am not saying that my perception is fact.... but I am saying that MCA is not impressive by any means.

I've been watching this whole thing with bemusement and just went to the MCA website for a laugh. Yeah, it looks like something that was put together to convince international students that this is the way to get a fancy, well-respected American degree. I feel really bad for anyone who sends their money to these people. Not that I can see what it costs, but even the cost of a stamp would be too much.