ENEB Master Thread

[Merlin]

I have heard that someone did get their Master Proprio degree from Universidad Isabel I evaluated as equivalent to an RA Bachelors degree.   For a degree around $300,  that's still a pretty good outcome.  It is possible that it will be evaluated differently through other foreign evaluators.

Keep in mind that it was a single evaluation and was done for purposes of employment. So it was not an academic evaluation. So, if you're applying for a job that says you need a bachelor's degree it may meet the minimum bar. This may be good enough for some people if the same result is given from multiple foreign credit evaluators.

Without more evaluations in terms of its academic equivalency (either in total or course by course), it has limited value to anyone who would like to use it as part of their academic CV (or list it on a resume as an actual master's degree).

[eLearner]

I would just like to point out that a legitimate Masters degree earned from a different country is still a legitimate Masters degree. Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University, but it's still a legitimate Masters degree regardless of that even if it has utility limits somewhere on the planet. Likewise, a Masters degree earned through the ENEB-Isabel arrangement is still a legitimate Masters degree regardless of an evaluator's opinion.

Listing a Masters from this program shouldn't be a real problem except that some may view a foreign degree with apprehension but that's a product of ignorance, and as such, one may be dodging a bullet upon finding that out. Each school and employer in the private sector has the freedom to make a decision to accept or reject your degree. You can bet on a school asking for a foreign degree evaluation, while you can bet on employers likely not asking.

[bjcheung77]

Weird, I always thought TeacherBelgium from the sister board was also a member of this one...  Anyways we have one confirmation from Dee12 that ECE evaluated an ENEB Masters degree as equivalent to a 4th year of an US Bachelors... We now have another from TeacherBelgium who got confirmation - NARIC (an European academic evaluation agency in the UK) did an academic evaluation to (one of six) ENEB Masters TeacherBelgium is pursuing, it came in as an 'Advanced' Bachelors Degree - meaning that is an 'one' year degree after the first Bachelors.  This is great news for those going for an ENEB/Universidad Isabel I Masters!  For more info, there was a post Oct 24, 2020 here: https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?thr...ost-543804

[Thorne]

Weird, I always thought TeacherBelgium from the sister board was also a member of this one...  Anyways we have one confirmation from Dee12 that ECE evaluated an ENEB Masters degree as equivalent to a 4th year of an US Bachelors... We now have another from TeacherBelgium who got confirmation - NARIC (an European academic evaluation agency in the UK) did an academic evaluation to (one of six) ENEB Masters TeacherBelgium is pursuing, it came in as an 'Advanced' Bachelors Degree - meaning that is an 'one' year degree after the first Bachelors.  This is great news for those going for an ENEB/Universidad Isabel I Masters!  For more info, there was a post Oct 24, 2020 here: https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?thr...ost-543804

It really is, because Advanced Bachelor's Degrees, if I recall, are usually graduate coursework.

Either way, I agree with eLearner. A legal degree in its home country doesn't suddenly become less so just by leaving the borders, only in very limited circumstances.

[HogwartsSchool]

I would just like to point out that a legitimate Masters degree earned from a different country is still a legitimate Masters degree. Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University, but it's still a legitimate Masters degree regardless of that even if it has utility limits somewhere on the planet.

Can you please expand and clarify your comment "Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University"?

1. How is the masters degree from WGU not recognized by German authorities?
a) German Government - job qualification
b) German University - job qualification
c) German University - education qualification

2. What are your sources for this information where German authorities do not recognize a masters degree from WGU?

3. If German authorities do not recognize a masters degree from WGU, then why would they accept a bachelors degree?

I am simply trying to understand how different countries operate toward advanced degrees.

[stevennguyen15691]

Since the result is based on NARIC ( UK), I think the 'Advanced' Bachelors Degree " mentioned is actually BA (Honours).
In UK, the BA (Honours) means that the degree is more specialized in specific field ( Marketing, Accounting, Electrical Engineering) and with 360 UK credits ( 180 ECTS). The BA ordinary degree is for general degree such as BA in Liberal Arts or third class degree, or BA degree which is less than 360 UK credits, etc.
The benefit of BA (Honours) is that most of master programs in the UK require BA (Honours) as for entry. So if ENEB Masters degree is evaluated as BA (Honours), the holder could apply directly to master program without requirement for pre-master classes.
Well, I took ENEB MBA with the hope that it would be evaluated as level 7 UK diploma ( 120 UK credits). Then I will use it to go for other MBA ( top up ) programs with UK university. But now it turns to be BA (Honours) degree in Business Administration.
However, it is still great to spend just 300 USD for 2 UK BA (Honours) degrees in Business Administration and in Big Data

[Thorne]

I would just like to point out that a legitimate Masters degree earned from a different country is still a legitimate Masters degree. Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University, but it's still a legitimate Masters degree regardless of that even if it has utility limits somewhere on the planet.

Can you please expand and clarify your comment "Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University"?

1. How is the masters degree from WGU not recognized by German authorities?
a) German Government - job qualification
b) German University - job qualification
c) German University - education qualification

2. What are your sources for this information where German authorities do not recognize a masters degree from WGU?

3. If German authorities do not recognize a masters degree from WGU, then why would they accept a bachelors degree?

I am simply trying to understand how different countries operate toward advanced degrees.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WGU/comments/ij...on_of_wgu/
https://www.nomadenberlin.com/blog/anabin

Basically, because WGU offers credits "for life experience" (German education is NOT competency-based, it has a strict time limit), the government has the right to refuse any and all qualifications from the school but may also accept them (H+/- status). H+ means the school is recognized, H- means it isn't, and H+/- means its discretionary. WGU was H- less than 6 months ago, only recently got updated.

Speaking generally, if someone wasn't a hyper-accelerator and got the degree at a normal pace with few transfer credits, they might be evaluated positively. Funny enough, Universidad Isabel I is H+, so someone could try to use this degree for official purposes in Germany, lol.

[eLearner]

I would just like to point out that a legitimate Masters degree earned from a different country is still a legitimate Masters degree. Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University, but it's still a legitimate Masters degree regardless of that even if it has utility limits somewhere on the planet.

Can you please expand and clarify your comment "Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University"?

1. How is the masters degree from WGU not recognized by German authorities?
a) German Government - job qualification
b) German University - job qualification
c) German University - education qualification

2. What are your sources for this information where German authorities do not recognize a masters degree from WGU?

3. If German authorities do not recognize a masters degree from WGU, then why would they accept a bachelors degree?

I am simply trying to understand how different countries operate toward advanced degrees.

Thorne beat me to it. But here is something straight from the Anabin database on WGU:

Caution is advised as this facility offers on-line courses that credit life experience. Recognition is therefore only to be carried out in individual cases with precise documentation, frequent rejection is to be expected.

https://anabin.kmk.org/no_cache/filter/i...ionen.html

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I would just like to point out that a legitimate Masters degree earned from a different country is still a legitimate Masters degree. Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University, but it's still a legitimate Masters degree regardless of that even if it has utility limits somewhere on the planet.

Can you please expand and clarify your comment "Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University"?

1. How is the masters degree from WGU not recognized by German authorities?
a) German Government - job qualification
b) German University - job qualification
c) German University - education qualification

2. What are your sources for this information where German authorities do not recognize a masters degree from WGU?

3. If German authorities do not recognize a masters degree from WGU, then why would they accept a bachelors degree?

I am simply trying to understand how different countries operate toward advanced degrees.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WGU/comments/ij...on_of_wgu/
https://www.nomadenberlin.com/blog/anabin

Basically, because WGU offers credits "for life experience" (German education is NOT competency-based, it has a strict time limit), the government has the right to refuse any and all qualifications from the school but may also accept them (H+/- status). H+ means the school is recognized, H- means it isn't, and H+/- means its discretionary. WGU was H- less than 6 months ago, only recently got updated.

Speaking generally, if someone wasn't a hyper-accelerator and got the degree at a normal pace with few transfer credits, they might be evaluated positively. Funny enough, Universidad Isabel I is H+, so someone could try to use this degree for official purposes in Germany, lol.

Good catch on the status update.

I don't know why they are using the term "credit for life experience". I thought WGU only offered competency-based education. The two things are completely different.

[cerich67]

I would just like to point out that a legitimate Masters degree earned from a different country is still a legitimate Masters degree. Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University, but it's still a legitimate Masters degree regardless of that even if it has utility limits somewhere on the planet.

Can you please expand and clarify your comment "Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University"?

1. How is the masters degree from WGU not recognized by German authorities?
a) German Government - job qualification
b) German University - job qualification
c) German University - education qualification

2. What are your sources for this information where German authorities do not recognize a masters degree from WGU?

3. If German authorities do not recognize a masters degree from WGU, then why would they accept a bachelors degree?

I am simply trying to understand how different countries operate toward advanced degrees.

Thorne beat me to it. But here is something straight from the Anabin database on WGU:

Caution is advised as this facility offers on-line courses that credit life experience. Recognition is therefore only to be carried out in individual cases with precise documentation, frequent rejection is to be expected.

https://anabin.kmk.org/no_cache/filter/i...ionen.html

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I would just like to point out that a legitimate Masters degree earned from a different country is still a legitimate Masters degree. Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University, but it's still a legitimate Masters degree regardless of that even if it has utility limits somewhere on the planet.

Can you please expand and clarify your comment "Authorities in Germany, for instance, do not recognize Masters degrees from Western Governors University"?

1. How is the masters degree from WGU not recognized by German authorities?
a) German Government - job qualification
b) German University - job qualification
c) German University - education qualification

2. What are your sources for this information where German authorities do not recognize a masters degree from WGU?

3. If German authorities do not recognize a masters degree from WGU, then why would they accept a bachelors degree?

I am simply trying to understand how different countries operate toward advanced degrees.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WGU/comments/ij...on_of_wgu/
https://www.nomadenberlin.com/blog/anabin

Basically, because WGU offers credits "for life experience" (German education is NOT competency-based, it has a strict time limit), the government has the right to refuse any and all qualifications from the school but may also accept them (H+/- status). H+ means the school is recognized, H- means it isn't, and H+/- means its discretionary. WGU was H- less than 6 months ago, only recently got updated.

Speaking generally, if someone wasn't a hyper-accelerator and got the degree at a normal pace with few transfer credits, they might be evaluated positively. Funny enough, Universidad Isabel I is H+, so someone could try to use this degree for official purposes in Germany, lol.

Good catch on the status update.

I don't know why they are using the term "credit for life experience". I thought WGU only offered competency-based education. The two things are completely different.

TESU is also listed as +/-. They seem to not like online.

[eLearner]

^ Possibly. But I've noticed that even schools that are not entirely online have the +/-, like John F Kennedy University. They do offer competency-based programs as well, so maybe that's a factor. I've also noticed that schools that teach anything Natural, Holistic, or Chiropractic also have the +/-.

What concerns me is that some have the +/- and are medical schools that as far as I know do not have bad reputations like the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine. This is why I've been saying, we have to take these evaluations with a grain of salt. These entities have the freedom to make any decision they want, but that doesn't mean their decision is right, and thankfully their decision isn't the final say.

As a sidenote: am I the only one who hates it when the forum takes two of your replies and combines them into one long post? Seems like it just makes it harder for people to reply to without carrying over those two posts, making the reply look even longer and taking up more thread space. I dunno, maybe it's just me.