ENEB Master Thread

[CYOD]

This is a copy/paste of one of my posts from the sister board:  For myself, I would have it listed as a PDG or Graduate Diploma instead of a Masters Certificate, I think a Masters Diploma may work as well. I think having the word Masters confuses people... I recall Graduate/Masters certificates are generally 12-18, up to 21 credits and Graduate/Masters diplomas are 24-30 credits.

I am currently doing the Universidad Isabel I as I think of them like MOOC courses such as the ones from coursera, edx, futurelearn, udacity and upgrad... some may be used for a mini credential and ladder up towards a Masters program, but for me, it's just used as a preview/overview of a Masters program, I am using it like a Post-Graduate Diploma. Anyone else think of doing things this way?

This is what I believe and gather these Spanish credentials to be, they're considered equivalent to a Graduate Diploma vs a Masters because it is a set of courses that total roughly 30 credits when translated from 60 ECTS and come without a graduate capstone, project, or thesis. The main difference with a Masters is just that, I am curious if there is an option to change or upgrade these to an "oficial" from the "propio" by just taking the final capstone, project or thesis if the courses are exactly the same. Someone should send a message to Universidad Isabel I and find out, heck, i'll just do that for the sake of knowing...

UCN (Universidad de Nicaragua) has a partnership with UA (Universidad Azteca) where UA would allow you to transfer those credits from Universidad Isabel I into their MBA as "propio" which could then be validated from UCN as an "official" accredited degree with possible RA accreditation equivalency as well as transfer for completion into their DBA or PhD which would be the capstone as a thesis or dissertation you are talking about.  http://businessschooldirect.info/degree_...__transfer

How certain are you that credits from the ENEB qualifications will be transferred into UCNs DBA programs? Also, just to be sure, if i were to complete an MBA and a masters from ENEB and transfer to UCN, I would only need to finish the thesis to get a DBA or a phd? If not can I transfer those credits and get an MBA from UCN without any additional coursework?

I'm also interested with this one, Hi @bjcheung77, have you consulted UCN with this one? or have you tried processing it with them?

[Silvious]

I got through the transcript uploading my resume. No one asked anything about it yet. I should finish my BS in May 2021 so I'll have the degree before applying for graduation.

[Not_a_robot_101]

I love this forum and I appreciate the discourse and advice offered here, but frankly I don’t understand this focus on ENEB. There are 47 pages dedicate to a quasi program that will never be taken seriously in America. There are plenty of reputable, accredited MBA programs out there and frankly this is not one of them. I say this not to be inflammatory, but can anyone honestly explain why this program is being treated with legitimacy?

[rachel83az]

I love this forum and I appreciate the discourse and advice offered here, but frankly I don’t understand this focus on ENEB. There are 47 pages dedicate to a quasi program that will never be taken seriously in America. There are plenty of reputable, accredited MBA programs out there and frankly this is not one of them. I say this not to be inflammatory, but can anyone honestly explain why this program is being treated with legitimacy?

Because it at least evaluates either as a bachelor's degree or seems to be equivalent to a post-graduate certificate depending on who you ask. Even if it's not considered to be a full master's, a bachelor's or a post-grad certificate for $300 is still a good deal. 

It's at least as legit as a NA degree vs. RA. The worth will depend on where you are and what you plan to do with it.

[Thorne]

I love this forum and I appreciate the discourse and advice offered here, but frankly I don’t understand this focus on ENEB. There are 47 pages dedicate to a quasi program that will never be taken seriously in America. There are plenty of reputable, accredited MBA programs out there and frankly this is not one of them. I say this not to be inflammatory, but can anyone honestly explain why this program is being treated with legitimacy?

Because it is legit (evaluates as a Bachelor's in the United States, seen as a Graduate-level qualification in several other nations in the Anglosphere) and it is very inexpensive.

I've written 216 pages so far, read something like 9,000 pages of reference material, taken 75 examinations, and have been graded fairly by a school whose degree does grant ECTS which can be transferred to other European schools and is likely to be evaluated positively by Australian universities, where I plan to move. 

It is accredited, whether you like it or not. I've already linked to a post analyzing it, but the issuing school, UI1, is accredited in the EHEA and can legally grant degrees with ECTS in accordance with ENQA, one of the top-level accreditors in Europe, which have been accepted in other schools. One of my good friends transferred his MBA and Master in Management into a UK school to a top-up MBA program for ~$2,500 because they see the credits and education as real according to the law.

I treat it with legitimacy because you get out of education what you put in. The overall market trends are moving against high-quality pedigrees and toward people with real experiences. Plus, I've written each and every paper I have submitted as though I was writing an assignment for what you might call a "legitimate" school (again, this distinction is ridiculous when you consider the legitimate nature of these degrees) and have been rewarded for it. I'm using it to prove that I can successfully do graduate-level studies and am planning to leverage it into a degree I have more passion for.

Everything is about its utility. This degree is just as legit as one from WGU or University of the People, and UI1's international rankings are only about 150 spots below WGU and nearly a thousand spots above UoP by the bodies I can find who actually review education past the top 500 institutions. I need it for a specific purpose which this will fulfill. Oh, and another longtime friend just used the MBA from Isabel to get a promotion in his job in the USA. So much for "never being taken seriously."

Putting this frankly, let's not pretend that it's not inflammatory to ignore 50 pages of research which justify the validity of this degree just because you don't respect its legitimacy.

[StoicJ]

I love this forum and I appreciate the discourse and advice offered here, but frankly I don’t understand this focus on ENEB. There are 47 pages dedicate to a quasi program that will never be taken seriously in America. There are plenty of reputable, accredited MBA programs out there and frankly this is not one of them. I say this not to be inflammatory, but can anyone honestly explain why this program is being treated with legitimacy?

I disagree with your "quasi program" conclusion. Also with the idea that it will never be taken seriously in America. It certainly is not for everybody. Here are some reasons why it suits me well:

1) I don't care all THAT much about accreditation. A government job just has ZERO appeal to me. Being an employee in a private organization where not having an MBA with specific accreditation would disqualify me for certain functions just wouldn't work for me, either.

2) The content and requirements of what I want in an MBA program are there in the ENEB program. I don't plan on half-assing, so I am convinced I will get a lot of benefit from it.

3) The price.

4) It's a degree from overseas. That carries some weight with me. I have business overseas, and I hope and expect that in the future I will be dealing mostly with people outside the USA. (realized this might be interpreted as my being against Americans, but I most certainly am not!)

5) I can't help but feel good about getting an education outside the traditional schooling system, a system that increasingly disgusts me.

All in all, I am a bit giddy about the opportunity.

[SteveFoerster]

I love this forum and I appreciate the discourse and advice offered here, but frankly I don’t understand this focus on ENEB. There are 47 pages dedicate to a quasi program that will never be taken seriously in America. There are plenty of reputable, accredited MBA programs out there and frankly this is not one of them. I say this not to be inflammatory, but can anyone honestly explain why this program is being treated with legitimacy?

As others have suggested, the conclusion is elusive because the premises are faulty.

[eLearner]

Just wanted to post something I got in an email recently: It is acceptable to list Isabel in the following ways:

- Isabel I University

- Universidad Isabel I

- University Isabel I de Castilla

- International University Isabel I de Castilla

- Universidad Internacional Isabel I de Castilla

¡De nada!

[Sdmj33]

I love this forum and I appreciate the discourse and advice offered here, but frankly I don’t understand this focus on ENEB. There are 47 pages dedicate to a quasi program that will never be taken seriously in America. There are plenty of reputable, accredited MBA programs out there and frankly this is not one of them. I say this not to be inflammatory, but can anyone honestly explain why this program is being treated with legitimacy?

Because it is legit (evaluates as a Bachelor's in the United States, seen as a Graduate-level qualification in several other nations in the Anglosphere) and it is very inexpensive.

I've written 216 pages so far, read something like 9,000 pages of reference material, taken 75 examinations, and have been graded fairly by a school whose degree does grant ECTS which can be transferred to other European schools and is likely to be evaluated positively by Australian universities, where I plan to move. 

It is accredited, whether you like it or not. I've already linked to a post analyzing it, but the issuing school, UI1, is accredited in the EHEA and can legally grant degrees with ECTS in accordance with ENQA, one of the top-level accreditors in Europe, which have been accepted in other schools. One of my good friends transferred his MBA and Master in Management into a UK school to a top-up MBA program for ~$2,500 because they see the credits and education as real according to the law.

I treat it with legitimacy because you get out of education what you put in. The overall market trends are moving against high-quality pedigrees and toward people with real experiences. Plus, I've written each and every paper I have submitted as though I was writing an assignment for what you might call a "legitimate" school (again, this distinction is ridiculous when you consider the legitimate nature of these degrees) and have been rewarded for it. I'm using it to prove that I can successfully do graduate-level studies and am planning to leverage it into a degree I have more passion for.

Everything is about its utility. This degree is just as legit as one from WGU or University of the People, and UI1's international rankings are only about 150 spots below WGU and nearly a thousand spots above UoP by the bodies I can find who actually review education past the top 500 institutions. I need it for a specific purpose which this will fulfill. Oh, and another longtime friend just used the MBA from Isabel to get a promotion in his job in the USA. So much for "never being taken seriously."

Putting this frankly, let's not pretend that it's not inflammatory to ignore 50 pages of research which justify the validity of this degree just because you don't respect its legitimacy.

Could you give me the name of the UK school?

[bjcheung77]

Just wanted to post something I got in an email recently: It is acceptable to list Isabel in the following ways:

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¡De nada!

That's great, but too many choices hurt my brain...
I'll just leave it as is... the shorter the better...

- Isabel I University
- Universidad Isabel I