ENEB Master Thread

[Cofffeee]

innen,

Your confidence is misplaced. Most employers in Eastern Europe (I am from this general region) know next to nothing about ANY American or Spanish universities. They might have heard of a few places (Harvard, MIT). By your standard, Thomas Edison State University and Charter Oak State College should also be the subject of LOL reactions, as these "regionally accredited" universities are not known outside of the United States. In fact, regional accreditation itself is an unknown concept. I suppose that they are all diploma mills, right? Please take my opinion seriously! I have not heard of them, so I am sure that they are all crappy. I am not sure why anyone who's curious about a foreign university should care about what ignorant people say in private. As I said, Universidad Isabel I grants a titulo propio degree. If you do some research (instead of ranting), you'll know what this particular Spanish degree isn't even meant to be compared to official state-recognized degrees.

Agree on the point of knowledge about any outside Universities except very well know around the world.

[openair]

https://translate.google.com/translate?h...ulo-propio

Key sentence: "own degrees are considered continuing education"
Original Spanish: "títulos propios se consideran formación continua"

The country report on Spain (Annex, section A.3) noted that most professional adult
retraining is conducted through higher education providers, with an institution-specific
qualification (título propio) not recognised outside the institution (in terms of ECTS) – it
seems best to regard such ‘qualifications’ as EQF level 7 in the Skills column (European
Commission, 2015b) Source: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/e...397_EN.pdf

https://www.uc3m.es/postgraduate/school-...-education
Why are these Master's degrees classified as continuing education? Try to answer that question.

[eLearner]

https://translate.google.com/translate?h...ulo-propio

Key sentence: "own degrees are considered continuing education"
Original Spanish: "títulos propios se consideran formación continua"

The country report on Spain (Annex, section A.3) noted that most professional adult
retraining is conducted through higher education providers, with an institution-specific
qualification (título propio) not recognised outside the institution (in terms of ECTS) – it
seems best to regard such ‘qualifications’ as EQF level 7 in the Skills column (European
Commission, 2015b) Source: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/e...397_EN.pdf

https://www.uc3m.es/postgraduate/school-...-education
Why are these Master's degrees classified as continuing education? Try to answer that question.

I would be careful of that translation because it is done by Google rather than by a real human, like this one:

Recognition in the Labour Market

Official titles are essential to work in the public service sector. In Catalonia, Spain, and in western and English-speaking countries, recognition in the labour market of a master’s degree depends on both the prestige of the institution which grants it (UAB is a leading university in international rankings) and the prestige of the master’s degree in its own discipline (which will be given by the lecturers, the subjects, the number the programme editions, etc.) In general, private companies do not consider whether a qualification is an official or a university-specific degree when they hire a professional, but consider the prestige of the programme and whether it provides students with the knowledge and skills required for the profile they seek.

https://www.uab.cat/web/study/graduate/w...49545.html

[innen_oda]

innen,

Your confidence is misplaced. Most employers in Eastern Europe (I am from this general region) know next to nothing about ANY American or Spanish universities. They might have heard of a few places (Harvard, MIT). By your standard, Thomas Edison State University and Charter Oak State College should also be the subject of LOL reactions, as these "regionally accredited" universities are not known outside of the United States. In fact, regional accreditation itself is an unknown concept. I suppose that they are all diploma mills, right? Please take my opinion seriously! I have not heard of them, so I am sure that they are all crappy. I am not sure why anyone who's curious about a foreign university should care about what ignorant people say in private. As I said, Universidad Isabel I grants a titulo propio degree. If you do some research (instead of ranting), you'll know why this particular Spanish degree wasn't even meant to be compared to official state-recognized degrees.

That's exactly it - if it's not a known university, research is needed.
Guess what happens when you Google 'ENEB MBA'? I'm going to be honest - I see Groupon in the results, and I'm going to have certain assumptions about this degree. I'm also now going to have questions about everything else listed on your resume.

I'd be far less concerned about TESU or COSC, although a degree from a higher ranking university is naturally preferable. But they are at least (to use your wording) 'official, state recognised degrees', which is far more than can be said for the ENEB MBA.

By most accounts, a similar time investment is required for this MBA as compared to a proper MBA, so this really is about saving dollars. The cost saving is simply not worth the cost to the credibility of one's CV, to my mind. There are heaps of good options here in Europe to get a low cost masters, with the same time investment, without all the questions around an MBA from a corporation that spends its time astroturfing various online forums, and has dodgy practices like charging over 300 for a paper copy of the diploma, and obfuscating the fact that the courses are non-transferable.

Sorry, but this degree is dodgy af. Let me know when WES comes back with their appraisal.

[openair]

Here's how I see it: ENEB went through a long period of advertising on groupon. They're probably going to be associated with the marketplace portal forever. Is that a bad thing? It depends on how you look at it. I found out about their program offerings through groupon itself. That means that their advertising worked! On the other hand, the specific portal isn't associated with university degree sign-ups, so this may cause them some negative feedback. There are pros and cons to the decision that they have made with the advertising. It was a fairly innovative move. But I agree that it was a bold move that may not necessarily pay off in the long-term. In the short-term, it does appear to draw new people to the program in a rather effective way.

I wouldn't worry too much about the reputation of a continuing education program, especially since you do receive real business training through the program. If you want to avoid the fate of which you speak (where an employer connects your titulo propio Master to groupon through a google search and immediately dismisses the degree), you might just list the award in the continuing education section of the cv. You could even put "titulo propio" next to the university degree in some brackets in the education section and avoid a direct listing of ENEB. After all, you do receive a degree from a recognized Spanish university. There are ways to display the award on the cv that might be more advised. It should all be fine, if you simply treat the award as an extra training qualification. I am also uncomftorable with the people who are equating this lifelong learning degree qualification to a Spanish state-recognized degree. We are in full agreement on that point.

[openair]

I want to share something that might be very helpful to the people engaged in discussions on this thread. I was looking for some credential evaluator gudelines on the recognition of titulo propio degrees in the U.S. I believe that I have finally found something deeply relevant. It took me awhile to access this stuff.

So, here is a 2018 internal report from AICE (the Association of International Credential Evaluators Inc). They are on par with NACES, as both organizations enjoy full recognition of the U.S. Department of Education. https://aice-eval.org/

Link to the report: https://aice-eval.org/wp-content/uploads...POSIUM.pdf

Here's the relevant quote:

Unrecognized Credentials Conferred by Recognized Institutions of Higher Education

Titulo Propio programs in Spain are taught outside of the formal academic framework, and the
credentials do not have standard formatting or a signature of the King of Spain. These programs were
designed to appeal to foreign students, frequently focusing on language instruction and teacher training
designed for international students to upgrade their teaching positions when they return to their home
country. However, Spaniards can also enroll in these programs, as evidenced by credentials encountered
recently by AICE endorsed members. Fortunately, the Ministry of Education, Culture and Sports of Spain
maintains a comprehensive list of official degrees offered at each university, available at
http://srv.aneca.es/ListadoTitulos/ . As such, programs not listed here are most likely for Titulos Propios.
Most AICE Endorsed Members selectively recognize these credentials for credits, if they are quantified in
any way, but never recognize them for degree equivalence.

That settles the debate for me. There's no way that you could get a degree equivalency from AICE. Basically, you can only try to get some transfer credits from one of their member evaluators. I would be very surpised if NACES members (WES in particular) had a more generous approach than AICE.

[SteveFoerster]

That settles the debate for me. There's no way that you could get a degree equivalency from AICE. Basically, you can only try to get some transfer credits from one of their member evaluators. I would be very surpised if NACES members (WES in particular) had a more generous approach than AICE.

That's a useful data point. I'm not sure that it settles the matter, though, since historically different evaluators have come up with very different reports for the same transcript. 

On the one hand, if someone's goals specifically depend on earning a degree that will be evaluated as a U.S. Master's, this might give them pause. On the other hand, others may find it encouraging that most of their members positively evaluate programs like this for credit, since it confirms the academic legitimacy of the programs in general, which may be all that a lot of people need.

[fxodyssey]

Hello Fellow Educational Enthusiasts,
This is not a Master's degree, BUT "a Masters diploma" I had to re-read the whole thing to understand.

[durain]

Hello Fellow Educational Enthusiasts,
This is not a Master's degree, BUT "a Masters diploma" I had to re-read the whole thing to understand.

Oh no. Now we need to understand the different between "degree" and"diploma"?uni Isabel 1 don't issued "degree" but "diploma"???

[eLearner]

Hello Fellow Educational Enthusiasts,
This is not a Master's degree, BUT "a Masters diploma" I had to re-read the whole thing to understand.

At the end of the studies, our students will earn a triple degree issued by ENEB Business School, which is endorsed and certified by the Universidad Isabel I:

- Master’s Degree
- Specialist Diploma in Coaching and NLP
- Business Spanish Certificate

https://eneb.com/why-eneb/