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#51
For the Natural Sciences: This is what I recommend.
Study.com Physics I & II and StraighterLine Physics I Lab
TESU Physics II Lab, it's a shorter version - 6 week lab
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#52
(09-04-2018, 10:57 PM)bjcheung77 Wrote: For the Natural Sciences: This is what I recommend.
Study.com Physics I & II and StraighterLine Physics I Lab
TESU Physics II Lab, it's a shorter version - 6 week lab

For many, that would only make sense if it is required that they be consecutive as it will take much longer and cost a lot more money. The question here really is Can you do 2 level I course/lab or do they need to be consecutive. The degree evaluation implies you can take ANY 2 of the 4 listed and this is where the confusion is. There are plans that do specifically spell out they need to be consecutive. His however does not which is why we are still not 100% sure.

The ASNSM in Mathematics lists discrete math under math electives under the What If tool. 

I will definitely advise him to inquire about the online learning and/or transfer of 150+ credits possibly allowing for a waiver of the cornerstone but I've already told him not to hold his breath on that one lol It's definitely a waste of money and time after reviewing the cornerstone syllabus but I am guessing its profit for TESU that is the motive behind the requirement as opposed to "learning". 

So far he has completed and added to his ACE transcript but not yet sent to TESU: Aleks Intermediate Algebra; Aleks College Algebra; the free Ethics course, the 2 Free Sophia Courses.

At SDC he has completed the course and quizzes but not the exams yet (he wanted to wait for his evaluation first) for: Nutrition 101, Library Science 101.

He has started but not yet finished: SDC Political Science 102, Biology 102 Genetics, and Biology 106 Pathophysiology, Math 103 PreCalculus, Math 104 Calculus and College Math 102. I'm not sure he needs College Math 102 since SDC's Calculus Course shows it transfers for 6 credits, so he plans to finish that one last. 

For the Natural Science he has planned SDC Physics 111/112; SL Physics Lab I and TESU Lab II..however if Chemistry I + Lab is an option we will probably see if there is a cheaper/faster alternative before he finishes. 

His priority atm is to finish the ASNSM courses in the next few weeks and get those transferred in for evaluation. This is because one of the questions he has is can he graduate with the ASNSMs in December and then complete the two other bachelor degrees in the same year under the initial residency waiver. 

His goals atm are:
  • ASNSM Biololgy - December 2018 
  • ASNSM Mathematics - December 2018
  • BS Technical Studies - March/June 2019
    AND/OR
  • BA Computer Science/Psychology (Dual AOS) March/June 2019

He will have everything completed excepting the capstone and the Natural Science courses for the ASNSMs and the BS Tech Studies by the end of the month. He is going to ask for another evaluation specifically for the BA Comp Sci/Psychology but the What If tool shows everything coming in exactly as expected for that degree. The only reason it will take longer to finish is due to the fact that the three remaining  courses he needs must be taken at TESU. If they will allow him to earn both the BA/BS degrees at the same time that would be great, but since they are from two separate schools he we are thinking he may have to come back to earn the BA CS/Psy. The main concern is will he have to pay the RW 3 separate times, will he be able to earn both degrees concurrently given they are from different schools, or if not, should he choose 1 degree over. If he is forced to choose due to cost/policy the Natural Science may not be needed since it is not a requirement in the BA. We will have to see what TESU's stance on graduating more than 1x under a single residency waiver within a year is and their policy on concurrent degrees from different schools before he makes his final decision.

The only way for him to enroll is either with the Cornerstone or the Capstone. The Cornerstone seems like a waste of money tbh, but he doesn't know which Capstone to enroll in just yet. Will he be able to get any of these questions answered prior to enrolling or does he just need to spend $300 on the cornerstone in order to get an evaluation on the BA Comp Science and the rest of these outstanding questions answered?

Edit: Sorry I forgot to add the ASNSMs and the BA Comp Sci What If evaluations. I had also forgotten that on the BA Comp Sci his discrete math is coming in under AOS electives as opposed to the degree requirement of Discrete math. In this case it may just be the What If tool, but I'm not so sure seeing the way its appearing in the other evaluations.


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#53
(08-22-2018, 09:36 AM)davewill Wrote:
(08-21-2018, 09:41 PM)dfrecore Wrote: So tired of my posts not going through!

What I said (and did not just repost everyone's stuff) was that TESU used to say that you had to take Physics I & II w/Labs.  Then, at some point, someone tried to bring in Chem I & II w/Labs, and they were accepted.  TESU changed the website to say Chem or Physics I w/Lab and Chem or Physics II w/Lab, which is ridiculously unclear.  They need to say Physics I & II w/Labs OR Chem I & II w/Labs.

Agreed. There is an implied assumption that someone couldn't TAKE the II course without having taken the I course, but that's not really clear enough.

I don't have time to look this morning, however, TESU used to automatically award I credit if you had II credit- that's not been widely practiced here in this forum, but it was in their catalog for as long as I remember. It's worth looking to see if it still is.

EDIT: I found it, and either I misunderstood or it has changed. Simply, you don't need to TAKE part I to have credit awarded in part II not that they'll award credit for part I.
Page 181 College Catalog:
SEQUENTIAL COURSE WORK
With the exception of English Composition I and II, if a student
has successfully completed a second course of sequential
courses, he/she does not have to complete the first course.
Please note that the reference to “sequential courses” means
that knowledge of the second course is reliant on knowledge
of the first course such as Calculus I and II. Students do,
however, have to complete the minimum number of credits in
each area to fulfill graduation requirements.
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#54
Have you emailed TESU to get a straight answer? You already have the evaluation. It states you need both I & II on the website.
Link: https://www.tesu.edu/ast/programs/bs/technical-studies

Degree Requirements Credits
The following courses are required for the BS degree with an area of study in Technical Studies and can be fulfilled in either the General Education or Electives sections of the degree chart. 20

Computer Concepts (CIS-107) or above (3)
Statistics (3)
College Algebra (3)
Higher Level Math above College Algebra (3)
General Chemistry I with Lab or General Physics I with Lab (4)
General Chemistry II with Lab or General Physics II with Lab (4)

So, that means, take either Chem I or Physics I + Labs
And take Chem II or Physics II + Labs. Email them to be absolutely sure.

The easiest way to get that evaluation to show up with the requirements are to get them to add it to your evaluation as Pending preapproved courses. You can get them to enter in Chem I/Chem II and Physics I/II, if it allows both to be I, it will show up in the "what if" option. If not, it will show you what courses will go into the requirements. "Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy" - Go Get Them!
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(09-05-2018, 01:31 PM)bjcheung77 Wrote: Have you emailed TESU to get a straight answer? You already have the evaluation.  It states you need both I & II on the website.
Link: https://www.tesu.edu/ast/programs/bs/technical-studies

Degree Requirements Credits
The following courses are required for the BS degree with an area of study in Technical Studies and can be fulfilled in either the General Education or Electives sections of the degree chart. 20

Computer Concepts (CIS-107) or above (3)
Statistics (3)
College Algebra (3)
Higher Level Math above College Algebra (3)
General Chemistry I with Lab or General Physics I with Lab (4)
General Chemistry II with Lab or General Physics II with Lab (4)

So, that means, take either Chem I or Physics I + Labs
And take Chem II or Physics II + Labs.  Email them to be absolutely sure.

The easiest way to get that evaluation to show up with the requirements are to get them to add it to your evaluation as Pending preapproved courses.  You can get them to enter in Chem I/Chem II and Physics I/II, if it allows both to be I, it will show up in the "what if" option.  If not, it will show you what courses will go into the requirements.  "Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy" - Go Get Them!

I agree with the contacting them directly.  I know last year when I applied for the BSTS I was told as stated above (I & II, not a I & I). 

However the 'what if' unofficial tool does not work well for the BSTS at all (it puts so many things in the wrong place, including making the AOS look complete even when there are no UL).  When it comes to the BSTS you need to get the evaluation and information direct from TESU.
Amberton - MSHRB
TESU - ASNSM/BSBA



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#56
(09-05-2018, 01:31 PM)bjcheung77 Wrote: Have you emailed TESU to get a straight answer? You already have the evaluation.  It states you need both I & II on the website.
Link: https://www.tesu.edu/ast/programs/bs/technical-studies

Degree Requirements Credits
The following courses are required for the BS degree with an area of study in Technical Studies and can be fulfilled in either the General Education or Electives sections of the degree chart. 20

Computer Concepts (CIS-107) or above (3)
Statistics (3)
College Algebra (3)
Higher Level Math above College Algebra (3)
General Chemistry I with Lab or General Physics I with Lab (4)
General Chemistry II with Lab or General Physics II with Lab (4)

So, that means, take either Chem I or Physics I + Labs
And take Chem II or Physics II + Labs.  Email them to be absolutely sure.

The easiest way to get that evaluation to show up with the requirements are to get them to add it to your evaluation as Pending preapproved courses.  You can get them to enter in Chem I/Chem II and Physics I/II, if it allows both to be I, it will show up in the "what if" option.  If not, it will show you what courses will go into the requirements.  "Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy" - Go Get Them!

No answers from TESU as of yet. 

He already sent emails to academic advising inquiring:
  • Would the residency waiver be good for two separate graduations within one year (ASNSM in Dec, followed by a BA/BS in March/June 2019
  • Placement of his Discrete Math course into Other Courses instead of under Math degree requirement
  • Natural Science Course options (2 Level I/lab and/or 2 Consecutive Level Chem/Physics courses)
  • 2nd Degree evaluation for a Dual AOS BA Comp Sci/Psychology
  • Policy on earning both the BS Technical Studies degree and the BA Comp Sci/Psychology concurrently
And he is in the process of preparing a request with supporting arguments and relevant syllabus and coursework to appeal for reconsideration on the placement of the following courses:
  • Using College Foundations to meet the Cornerstone Requirement
  • Using International Relations to meet the Civic Engagement Requirement
  • Using World Literature through the Renaissance and/or Language and Culture to meet the Information Literacy Requirement
  • Using Discrete Mathematics to meet the Math Requirement 
I'm just not sure if they will respond to any of his inquires before he actually enrolls.

(09-05-2018, 04:31 PM)allvia Wrote:
(09-05-2018, 01:31 PM)bjcheung77 Wrote: Have you emailed TESU to get a straight answer? You already have the evaluation.  It states you need both I & II on the website.
Link: https://www.tesu.edu/ast/programs/bs/technical-studies

Degree Requirements Credits
The following courses are required for the BS degree with an area of study in Technical Studies and can be fulfilled in either the General Education or Electives sections of the degree chart. 20

Computer Concepts (CIS-107) or above (3)
Statistics (3)
College Algebra (3)
Higher Level Math above College Algebra (3)
General Chemistry I with Lab or General Physics I with Lab (4)
General Chemistry II with Lab or General Physics II with Lab (4)

So, that means, take either Chem I or Physics I + Labs
And take Chem II or Physics II + Labs.  Email them to be absolutely sure.

The easiest way to get that evaluation to show up with the requirements are to get them to add it to your evaluation as Pending preapproved courses.  You can get them to enter in Chem I/Chem II and Physics I/II, if it allows both to be I, it will show up in the "what if" option.  If not, it will show you what courses will go into the requirements.  "Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy" - Go Get Them!

I agree with the contacting them directly.  I know last year when I applied for the BSTS I was told as stated above (I & II, not a I & I). 

However the 'what if' unofficial tool does not work well for the BSTS at all (it puts so many things in the wrong place, including making the AOS look complete even when there are no UL).  When it comes to the BSTS you need to get the evaluation and information direct from TESU.
That's exactly why he is confused. His personal evaluation implies a choice. He did not use the What If tool for the BSTS evaluation. It is the actual evaluation that I attached and it states Choose Any two and then list all four as options...instead of the expected two consecutive. In playing around with the what if tool there are some evaluations it auto generates that very clearly do say consecutive courses are required in either Chemistry and/or Physics. Its a bit confusing since his evaluation implies a choice but everyone here is saying its required that it be two consecutive courses. lol As such, we are waiting to get clarification from TESU before he proceeds with any option just to be sure no time or money is wasted in the process.
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#57
Update:


He received emails responses back from academic advising:
  • Would the residency waiver be good for two separate graduations within one year (ASNSM in Dec, followed by a BA/BS in March/June 2019 (They confirmed in writing that the residency waiver would be good for one year and that he could graduate with the ASNSMs in December and return for the BS in March/June without having to pay a second residency waiver fee.)
  • Placement of his Discrete Math course into Other Courses instead of under Math degree requirement (They requested the syllabus for this course to be sent for a second evaluation. This has me puzzled given they gave him credit for the course as Discrete Math MAT-302 in his evaluation but did not apply it to the degree??) So I take it he has to file an appeal to get this course moved into the Math slot, I'm just confused as to why an appeal is necessary)
  • Natural Science Course options (2 Level I/lab and/or 2 Consecutive Level Chem/Physics courses) (They confirmed in writing that a Level I Chemistry w/Lab and a Level I Physics w/Lab WOULD meet the degree requirements. I am not sure which courses he will take BUT given the fact this appears to be outside of the norm of everyone else's experience with this degree to date...we will be sure to have ANY course selections preapproved AND preplanned into his degree completion plan.)
We are still waiting for a response on these inquiries:
  • 2nd Degree evaluation for a Dual AOS BA Comp Sci/Psychology 
  • Policy on earning both the BS Technical Studies degree and the BA Comp Sci/Psychology concurrently
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#58
(09-06-2018, 10:26 AM)shadowgem Wrote: Update:


He received emails responses back from academic advising:
  • Would the residency waiver be good for two separate graduations within one year (ASNSM in Dec, followed by a BA/BS in March/June 2019 (They confirmed in writing that the residency waiver would be good for one year and that he could graduate with the ASNSMs in December and return for the BS in March/June without having to pay a second residency waiver fee.)
  • Placement of his Discrete Math course into Other Courses instead of under Math degree requirement (They requested the syllabus for this course to be sent for a second evaluation. This has me puzzled given they gave him credit for the course as Discrete Math MAT-302 in his evaluation but did not apply it to the degree??) So I take it he has to file an appeal to get this course moved into the Math slot, I'm just confused as to why an appeal is necessary)
  • Natural Science Course options (2 Level I/lab and/or 2 Consecutive Level Chem/Physics courses) (They confirmed in writing that a Level I Chemistry w/Lab and a Level I Physics w/Lab WOULD meet the degree requirements. I am not sure which courses he will take BUT given the fact this appears to be outside of the norm of everyone else's experience with this degree to date...we will be sure to have ANY course selections preapproved AND preplanned into his degree completion plan.)
We are still waiting for a response on these inquiries:
  • 2nd Degree evaluation for a Dual AOS BA Comp Sci/Psychology 
  • Policy on earning both the BS Technical Studies degree and the BA Comp Sci/Psychology concurrently

"Natural Science Course options (2 Level I/lab and/or 2 Consecutive Level Chem/Physics courses) (They confirmed in writing that a Level I Chemistry w/Lab and a Level I Physics w/Lab WOULD meet the degree requirements. I am not sure which courses he will take BUT given the fact this appears to be outside of the norm of everyone else's experience with this degree to date...we will be sure to have ANY course selections preapproved AND preplanned into his degree completion plan.)"

I sincerely hope this is true  - I would have graduated with a BSTS last year had it been the case then.   Assuming it is and you have indeed been given correct information then TESU should expect far many more BSTS applicants from this forum in the near future. (I'm only skeptical because until it is on the official evaluation, it tends to be all speculation with TESU and varies from person to person you talk to there, even in email).  They must have changed it earlier this year during their revamp of what is worthy of what. This is very promising news

Did you ask all these questions all in one email, or send an email for each inquiry?
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TESU - ASNSM/BSBA



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(09-06-2018, 01:13 PM)allvia Wrote:
(09-06-2018, 10:26 AM)shadowgem Wrote: Update:


He received emails responses back from academic advising:
  • Would the residency waiver be good for two separate graduations within one year (ASNSM in Dec, followed by a BA/BS in March/June 2019 (They confirmed in writing that the residency waiver would be good for one year and that he could graduate with the ASNSMs in December and return for the BS in March/June without having to pay a second residency waiver fee.)
  • Placement of his Discrete Math course into Other Courses instead of under Math degree requirement (They requested the syllabus for this course to be sent for a second evaluation. This has me puzzled given they gave him credit for the course as Discrete Math MAT-302 in his evaluation but did not apply it to the degree??) So I take it he has to file an appeal to get this course moved into the Math slot, I'm just confused as to why an appeal is necessary)
  • Natural Science Course options (2 Level I/lab and/or 2 Consecutive Level Chem/Physics courses) (They confirmed in writing that a Level I Chemistry w/Lab and a Level I Physics w/Lab WOULD meet the degree requirements. I am not sure which courses he will take BUT given the fact this appears to be outside of the norm of everyone else's experience with this degree to date...we will be sure to have ANY course selections preapproved AND preplanned into his degree completion plan.)
We are still waiting for a response on these inquiries:
  • 2nd Degree evaluation for a Dual AOS BA Comp Sci/Psychology 
  • Policy on earning both the BS Technical Studies degree and the BA Comp Sci/Psychology concurrently

"Natural Science Course options (2 Level I/lab and/or 2 Consecutive Level Chem/Physics courses) (They confirmed in writing that a Level I Chemistry w/Lab and a Level I Physics w/Lab WOULD meet the degree requirements. I am not sure which courses he will take BUT given the fact this appears to be outside of the norm of everyone else's experience with this degree to date...we will be sure to have ANY course selections preapproved AND preplanned into his degree completion plan.)"

I sincerely hope this is true  - I would have graduated with a BSTS last year had it been the case then.   Assuming it is and you have indeed been given correct information then TESU should expect far many more BSTS applicants from this forum in the near future. (I'm only skeptical because until it is on the official evaluation, it tends to be all speculation with TESU and varies from person to person you talk to there, even in email).  They must have changed it earlier this year during their revamp of what is worthy of what. This is very promising news

Did you ask all these questions all in one email, or send an email for each inquiry?

He sent individual inquiries for each question. Yes, I agree that it could be very good news for some students. Even though I am fairly sure my husband plans to do two consecutive level courses (for his own personal degree plan) he decided to inquire further due to the fact there seemed to either be a change or at least ambiguous information both in the new catalog and his personal degree evaluation. We wanted to at least get clarification in order to share it here. We plan to still  inquire about the ed4credit Chemistry course to see if TESU will accept it as a Chemistry I equivalent (since both SL and SDC courses were downgraded to survey courses).

Could you clarify what you mean by an official evaluation? He requested an evaluation of 150 credit hours towards a BS in Technical Studies. About a month later, a few days ago he received an email from advising that his evaluation was completed for his review and to schedule an appointment with academic advising for advice on finishing the remaining courses for his degree program. He is appealing four course placement decisions..each one individually as well. And he sent emails into academic advising on the above bullet points. Is this not considered an official evaluation/process? 

The discrete math has me stumped. He did just get an official evaluation for the Comp Science/Psychology Dual AOS BA. This degree evaluation is also not listing the Discrete Math course under the Discrete Math requirement. Both evaluations clearly show it transferring in as Discrete Math 302, but list that course under "other courses" and I have no idea why lol Could it be because it was a quarter hour course? That's the only thing I can think of, but it seems like they would of at least given him the partial credit if that was the case. I'm just trying to think of how he should phrase his appeal, but without having any idea why they are not using it, I'm not sure how to advise him to challenge it. If anyone has any ideas or suggestions, we would really appreciate it  Smile

Further Updates:
  • 2nd Degree evaluation for a Dual AOS BA Comp Sci/Psychology (This evaluation has now been completed for his review.)
  • Policy on earning both the BS Technical Studies degree and the BA Comp Sci/Psychology concurrently (He was then cautioned that if he wants to complete Both the BS Technical Studies AND the BA Comp/Psychology that he needs to finish all requirements at the same time AND apply for graduation at the same time. He was also advised that he may need to bring in some new computer science courses since his BS Tech Studies degree has several already and only 9 credits may overlap between both degrees. Further, if he chose to graduate with the BS Technical Studies first, he would be required to bring in 24 new credits for the Computer Science/Psychology degree. If he chose to finish only Computer Science OR Psychology either now or as a 2nd degree in the future, he would NOT be able to complete the third AOS since it would then be considered a 3rd degree. So the main take away here is, yes he can graduate with both degrees (from two different schools) at the same time apparently. There doesn't appear to be anything preventing him from doing it as long as he can find a way to meet all of the degree requirements for both degree programs at the same time and with no more than 9 credits overlapping between both degrees; or conversely bringing in 24 new credits if he chooses to not do the degrees concurrently.)
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(09-06-2018, 09:35 PM)shadowgem Wrote:
(09-06-2018, 01:13 PM)allvia Wrote:
(09-06-2018, 10:26 AM)shadowgem Wrote: Update:


He received emails responses back from academic advising:
  • Would the residency waiver be good for two separate graduations within one year (ASNSM in Dec, followed by a BA/BS in March/June 2019 (They confirmed in writing that the residency waiver would be good for one year and that he could graduate with the ASNSMs in December and return for the BS in March/June without having to pay a second residency waiver fee.)
  • Placement of his Discrete Math course into Other Courses instead of under Math degree requirement (They requested the syllabus for this course to be sent for a second evaluation. This has me puzzled given they gave him credit for the course as Discrete Math MAT-302 in his evaluation but did not apply it to the degree??) So I take it he has to file an appeal to get this course moved into the Math slot, I'm just confused as to why an appeal is necessary)
  • Natural Science Course options (2 Level I/lab and/or 2 Consecutive Level Chem/Physics courses) (They confirmed in writing that a Level I Chemistry w/Lab and a Level I Physics w/Lab WOULD meet the degree requirements. I am not sure which courses he will take BUT given the fact this appears to be outside of the norm of everyone else's experience with this degree to date...we will be sure to have ANY course selections preapproved AND preplanned into his degree completion plan.)
We are still waiting for a response on these inquiries:
  • 2nd Degree evaluation for a Dual AOS BA Comp Sci/Psychology 
  • Policy on earning both the BS Technical Studies degree and the BA Comp Sci/Psychology concurrently

"Natural Science Course options (2 Level I/lab and/or 2 Consecutive Level Chem/Physics courses) (They confirmed in writing that a Level I Chemistry w/Lab and a Level I Physics w/Lab WOULD meet the degree requirements. I am not sure which courses he will take BUT given the fact this appears to be outside of the norm of everyone else's experience with this degree to date...we will be sure to have ANY course selections preapproved AND preplanned into his degree completion plan.)"

I sincerely hope this is true  - I would have graduated with a BSTS last year had it been the case then.   Assuming it is and you have indeed been given correct information then TESU should expect far many more BSTS applicants from this forum in the near future. (I'm only skeptical because until it is on the official evaluation, it tends to be all speculation with TESU and varies from person to person you talk to there, even in email).  They must have changed it earlier this year during their revamp of what is worthy of what. This is very promising news

Did you ask all these questions all in one email, or send an email for each inquiry?

He sent individual inquiries for each question. Yes, I agree that it could be very good news for some students. Even though I am fairly sure my husband plans to do two consecutive level courses (for his own personal degree plan) he decided to inquire further due to the fact there seemed to either be a change or at least ambiguous information both in the new catalog and his personal degree evaluation. We wanted to at least get clarification in order to share it here. We plan to still  inquire about the ed4credit Chemistry course to see if TESU will accept it as a Chemistry I equivalent (since both SL and SDC courses were downgraded to survey courses).

Could you clarify what you mean by an official evaluation? He requested an evaluation of 150 credit hours towards a BS in Technical Studies. About a month later, a few days ago he received an email from advising that his evaluation was completed for his review and to schedule an appointment with academic advising for advice on finishing the remaining courses for his degree program. He is appealing four course placement decisions..each one individually as well. And he sent emails into academic advising on the above bullet points. Is this not considered an official evaluation/process? 

The discrete math has me stumped. He did just get an official evaluation for the Comp Science/Psychology Dual AOS BA. This degree evaluation is also not listing the Discrete Math course under the Discrete Math requirement. Both evaluations clearly show it transferring in as Discrete Math 302, but list that course under "other courses" and I have no idea why lol Could it be because it was a quarter hour course? That's the only thing I can think of, but it seems like they would of at least given him the partial credit if that was the case. I'm just trying to think of how he should phrase his appeal, but without having any idea why they are not using it, I'm not sure how to advise him to challenge it. If anyone has any ideas or suggestions, we would really appreciate it  Smile

Further Updates:
  • 2nd Degree evaluation for a Dual AOS BA Comp Sci/Psychology (This evaluation has now been completed for his review.)
  • Policy on earning both the BS Technical Studies degree and the BA Comp Sci/Psychology concurrently (He was then cautioned that if he wants to complete Both the BS Technical Studies AND the BA Comp/Psychology that he needs to finish all requirements at the same time AND apply for graduation at the same time. He was also advised that he may need to bring in some new computer science courses since his BS Tech Studies degree has several already and only 9 credits may overlap between both degrees. Further, if he chose to graduate with the BS Technical Studies first, he would be required to bring in 24 new credits for the Computer Science/Psychology degree. If he chose to finish only Computer Science OR Psychology either now or as a 2nd degree in the future, he would NOT be able to complete the third AOS since it would then be considered a 3rd degree. So the main take away here is, yes he can graduate with both degrees (from two different schools) at the same time apparently. There doesn't appear to be anything preventing him from doing it as long as he can find a way to meet all of the degree requirements for both degree programs at the same time and with no more than 9 credits overlapping between both degrees; or conversely bringing in 24 new credits if he chooses to not do the degrees concurrently.)

"He sent individual inquiries for each question" - This is good news, we've learned you tend to get the most accurate response from TESU when you keep your inquiries limited in scope.

What you are doing in regards to his official evaluation is proper, and I'm not surprised at all that there are a few course you have to appeal placement on (especially for this degree).  You are likely correct that the quarter credits award for Discrete Math are not enough to meet the 3 credits higher than College Algebra requirement and that is not why they placed it in other. (He should be able to easily get what he is missing in the math through ALEKS, if I recall correctly he still needed the College Algebra as well).  What I meant in regards to it being on the official evaluation for the Science Labs is until someone transfers in both Level I w/labs and has it show up as "Complete" I'll have my doubts (as no one here has shared this happening, possibly due to the Chem I recent downgrade with SL, I didn't know there was an issue with the Study one being lowered) - I'm holding out hope that soon someone in this degree (BSTS) will post they have their sciences COMPLETE with Chem I w/lab and Physics I w/lab.

What doesn't make sense to me is the 2nd eval for a dual Comp Science/Psychology - it was my understanding that TESU does not offer dual majors - you could get a degree in Comp Science and then another in Psychology - but if you add the BSTS then that would be 3 degrees (not an option, they cap at 2).
Amberton - MSHRB
TESU - ASNSM/BSBA



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