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(08-19-2022, 07:49 AM)Pats20 Wrote: I wouldn’t think that college teaches savviness in any degree field and I certainly didn’t say that it did.  A person becomes savvy by learning and doing. That’s what college does. It forces (if you want to succeed) to learn and do. Over time a person becomes savvy if they stay interested. If by savvy the op means navigating their way around a computer , then hopefully They will figure it out if they are motivated/ interested enough. I certainly wouldn’t make it more intimidating or discouraging  by recommending  that someone not explore cybersecurity because of it.

Anyone who started school in a developed country in the 90s or later grew up using computers. If someone is not computer savvy, it's probably because they don't have the aptitude for that sort of thing. If someone failed math in high school, they're probably not a good candidate for a math degree. Many who end up studying computer science and IT in college were already coding and/or fixing computers in middle school or high school.

I also recommend starting at a community college. They usually go slower and, if you fail, at least you didn't spend much. There's also Harvard's free intro to CS course on edX that should help you determine whether you're able to master this subject.

A lot of people are trying to get into programming, software engineering, and data science for the money without considering whether they have the aptitude for these fields. A couple of days ago, a young lady on my feed announced that she was dropped from her coding bootcamp because she wasn't grasping what was being taught.
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(08-19-2022, 09:55 AM)sanantone Wrote:
(08-19-2022, 07:49 AM)Pats20 Wrote: I wouldn’t think that college teaches savviness in any degree field and I certainly didn’t say that it did.  A person becomes savvy by learning and doing. That’s what college does. It forces (if you want to succeed) to learn and do. Over time a person becomes savvy if they stay interested. If by savvy the op means navigating their way around a computer , then hopefully They will figure it out if they are motivated/ interested enough. I certainly wouldn’t make it more intimidating or discouraging  by recommending  that someone not explore cybersecurity because of it.

Anyone who started school in a developed country in the 90s or later grew up using computers. If someone is not computer savvy, it's probably because they don't have the aptitude for that sort of thing. If someone failed math in high school, they're probably not a good candidate for a math degree. Many who end up studying computer science and IT in college were already coding and/or fixing computers in middle school or high school.

I also recommend starting at a community college. They usually go slower and, if you fail, at least you didn't spend much. There's also Harvard's free intro to CS course on edX that should help you determine whether you're able to master this subject.

A lot of people are trying to get into programming, software engineering, and data science for the money without considering whether they have the aptitude for these fields. A couple of days ago, a young lady on my feed announced that she was dropped from her coding bootcamp because she wasn't grasping what was being taught.

Bootcamp is a different beast, it's a sprint sport, not a marathon. In the morning you might start with hello world, in the evening you might have to solve dynamic programming or recursive algorithm problems. if the student can't keep up, it will piled up rather quickly and have to quit the program.
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(08-19-2022, 07:49 AM)Pats20 Wrote: I wouldn’t think that college teaches savviness in any degree field and I certainly didn’t say that it did.  A person becomes savvy by learning and doing. That’s what college does. It forces (if you want to succeed) to learn and do. Over time a person becomes savvy if they stay interested. If by savvy the op means navigating their way around a computer , then hopefully They will figure it out if they are motivated/ interested enough. I certainly wouldn’t make it more intimidating or discouraging  by recommending  that someone not explore cybersecurity because of it.

I did not discourage the person from getting into Cybersecurity - I discouraged them from spending a lot of money trying to get an expensive degree without some background knowledge.  Becoming more computer-savvy by doing some learning via MOOC's or inexpensive CC classes is the exact opposite of discouraging them.

Telling someone who is self-admittedly not computer savvy to go ahead and spend $25k on a degree is not being nice to them - it's quite the opposite.
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(08-18-2022, 08:31 PM)Pats20 Wrote:
(08-18-2022, 02:00 PM)dfrecore Wrote: I'm going to start with: people who aren't very computer-savvy should probably be considering a career and degree in something that they ARE savvy with.  Or spend some time doing inexpensive things to become more savvy.

If you want a Cybersecurity degree anyway, I'd start at an inexpensive Community College or do some MOOC's instead of paying through the nose for a TESU degree.
I’m going to disagree with this. Many people go to school for things that they aren’t  “savvy with”  to begin with. That’s one of the reasons why you go to school, to get “savvy”. There are plenty of people with PHDs in computer science or any other field that knew very little if anything before college.

Let me disagree with this to a point.  Many people go to traditional brick and mortar, butt in a classroom seat for things they aren't "savvy with" and earn a degree.

Could that be taught on their own?  I don't know.  I could not teach myself to be a doctor or a pilot.  An accountant?  After 15 years in the field?  I can do that...

...because I have experience in it......

Non traditional education was intended to find ways to give one credit for what one already knows and apply it to a degree.

If one is starting from zero and wants to earn that degree in something they don't have any experience in, I'd suggest they go to a brick and mortar school.  It's sort of like all the home school parents here that plan their child's degree and want to know if...say...Modern States World Civilization is sufficient to prepare for a CLEP.  Sure, it's proficient to pass an exam to fill a degree spot.  Does it make one an expert in World Civ?  I don't think so.
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