Careerea 's COLLÈGE DE PARIS MBA

[cacoleman1983]

I've seen this school/program pop up in my Facebook feed as an ad a few days ago and was curious about it. It definitely looks like one of those programs that has partial accreditation/recognition at best. Looks good on a profile or resume but likely won't get full recognition from a NACES evaluator. Validential, California FCE, and other non-NACES members may give them regionally accreditation equivalency with full degree status. Very similar in recognition to Titulo Propio degree programs.

[Johann]

I've seen this school/program pop up in my Facebook feed as an ad a few days ago and was curious about it.   It definitely looks like one of those programs that has partial accreditation/recognition at best.  Looks good on a profile or resume but likely won't get full recognition from a NACES evaluator.  Validential, California FCE, and other non-NACES members may give them regionally accreditation equivalency with full degree status.  Very similar in recognition to Titulo Propio degree programs.

In US - State Authorization = NOTHING. Except a license to operate. The school may legally offer degrees of iffy / no standing. Where you can use them - and for what purpose - varies from State to State.  

In France - State Recognition = EVERYTHING. And this school does not have it. It may, though, also legally offer degrees of iffy / no standing. 

"Very similar in recognition to Titulo Propio degree programs." Not really. Titulos - or grados propios come from a full-fledged recognized university. They are degrees that the school may rightfully award, for which they have chosen not to seek individual permission, from the authorities. Propios are real degrees, but they come with some restrictions in their home country. Any equivalency you get here can vary wildly. This French school is not a State-Recognized university. By definition, the degrees are NOT PROPIOS. They are degrees awarded by a school without State recognition -so they are what they are...

And we do have that one outstanding report of credits earned from a propio being transferred to TESU. It may not work for every propio under the sun -- but it looks like a very good use of a cheaply-acquired credential.  Kudos once again to the person who found it. 

My take Propio results here with a recognized evaluator? A a crapshoot at best. A French, but not State-Recognized school like this one -- NOT EVEN THAT. Again, this French school's degrees are NOT a "propio" situation. Far from it.

And most places that require evaluations require recognized ones and will usually specify which ones they prefer. 
Those orgs that accept unrecognized evaluations - do so at their peril - out of ignorance.

[Johann]

Oh - right. I forgot. the French school is ONE of the two names on the diploma. As I said - not State Recognized in France. The other school - Ascencia, we're not even sure where it's domiciled--are we? We can be sure, however, that its degrees are not State-recognized. Ergo the degrees, NOT awarded by a State-recognized University, cannot be termed propios. It's not an ENEB / Universidad Isabel 1 situation. By reason of the two schools signatory to the diplomas, the degree is neither a propio, nor State-recognized. 

$4500 for a degree from 2 schools, neither of which can award a recognized degree? That should settle it, I think. 
These two could cross-validate each other for a century - nothing of that sort would change the value of the degrees.

[cacoleman1983]

Oh - right. I forgot. the French school is ONE of the two names on the diploma. As I said - not State Recognized in France. The other school - Ascencia, we're not even sure where it's domiciled--are we? We can be sure, however, that its degrees are not State-recognized. Ergo the degrees,  NOT awarded by a State-recognized University, cannot be termed propios. It's not an ENEB / Universidad Isabel 1 situation. By reason of the two schools signatory to the diplomas, the degree is neither a propio, nor State-recognized. 

$4500 for a degree from 2 schools, neither of which can award a recognized degree? That should settle it, I think. 
These two could cross-validate each other for a century - nothing of that sort would change the value of the degrees.

I was thinking one of those schools had official recognition which is why I was suggesting something similar to a limited recognition (i.e. Propio) because it may be a cross-validation like we see with Azteca/UCN with the partnerships they do with non-accredited but legally operated schools.   Since neither school in the College De Paris partnership is recognized, it's definitely a crap shoot! Their website in French that is advertised on their Facebook page is a blank page: https://www.collegedeparis.fr/.

[Johann]

Carlton: I just tried your link and it worked fine for me. No alteration. Suggest maybe you give it another try. It was only blank for around 1-2 seconds when I tried it. Fancy graphics are the probable cause. Pretty smooth look. 

From sarahmac: "So it seems although it nicely offers professional qualifications (levels 5-7) that can be used in France and are appropriately registered with the French professional training authority, the MBA they offer also falls into this professional category (i.e. not academic). It is not a degree in the sense that people here would need it to be." (I particularly like that sentence -J.)

I think sarahmac is right. The diplomas are recognized by the French professional training authority as levels 5-7. They can, I'm sure, be awarded legally as degrees, although they do NOT appear to be State-recognized degrees . The school is not on the degree-recognition list of the Ministry of Education.

The French page says (in translation) that all their degrees are State Recognized. That's at odds with the info rec'd from sarahmac, for reasons below:  They appear to be recognized by the French professional training authority - that's not the same as State recognition of degrees by the Ministry. It's like UK. You can take lots of courses at levels equivalent to a degree - from schools that do not have UK degree-granting authorization. In UK they sometimes have an arrangement with a University to offer top-up degree programs to their certificate grads. In France, I'm sure some schools can call their level 5+ courses degrees, legally, but that does NOT make them State-recognized degrees.  State-recognized diploma courses yes - degrees, no. For the degrees to be State-recognized, the school has to appear on the proper Ministry list.

I'm on sarahmac's side. It doesn't look to me ANYWHERE (despite what the website says) like they can award State-recognized Degrees. Diploma courses -yes. Non-State recognized degrees -- I'm guessing yes, legally. But they're not on the State Recognition list for degrees. They're on the Professional Training list. That's not the same.

J.

[cacoleman1983]

Carlton: I just tried your link and it worked fine for me. No alteration. Suggest maybe you give it another try. It was only blank for around 1-2 seconds when I tried it. Fancy graphics are the probable cause. Pretty smooth look. 

I tried it again using Google Chrome as well as Microsoft Edge and it loaded.    Firefox blocked it with the white screen for some weird reason.