Accrediting Council for Independent College and Schools

[Johann]

 ACICS is likely within acceptable quality limits.  The Swamp is back in town.  Enjoy it - good and hard.

I don't think it is. Look at the various debacles of ACICS-accredited schools that brought this mess to the forefront. e.g. Corinthian. Students "defrauded at 91 campuses." https://www.ed.gov/category/keyword/corinthian-colleges

Is this kind of accreditation 'within acceptable quality limits?' No, it clearly isn't -and this is only one example. When ACICS was shuttered,  it should have stayed shuttered - like Trump University. My take - Betsy DeVos simply made a mistake - one that would please her boss, Donald Trump. I do not suspect her of any personal gain motive. I don't like what she did here, but I don't suspect her of anything like that. She may have been cajoled, (or not) but money? No.

[monchevy]

 ACICS is likely within acceptable quality limits.  The Swamp is back in town.  Enjoy it - good and hard.

I don't think it is. Look at the various debacles of ACICS-accredited schools that brought this mess to the forefront. e.g. Corinthian. Students "defrauded at 91 campuses." https://www.ed.gov/category/keyword/corinthian-colleges

Is this kind of accreditation 'within acceptable quality limits?' No, it clearly isn't -and this is only one example. When ACICS was shuttered,  it should have stayed shuttered - like Trump University. My take - Betsy DeVos simply made a mistake - one that would please her boss, Donald Trump. I do not suspect her of any personal gain motive. I don't like what she did here, but I don't suspect her of anything like that. She may have been cajoled, (or not) but money? No.

No, this was DeVos all over. She doesn't believe in public anything. Everything should be private and for-profit. This is why she was put in the position to begin with, even though she had no qualifications for it. She was there to pull out the teeth of the department she was hired to manage, just like all the other unqualified people put in charge of departments that were supposed to look after the public good (EPA, FDA, NOAA, etc.). They were specifically hired to tear down regulations and create a financial bonanza for those who put money above all else.

Like Trump "University."

[Old Guy]

Corinthian was guilty of the same thing every school is. They told the same lie that graduates make 1,000 times what non-grads make. They were guilty of effective marketing.

Non-profits commit a different fraud. They have the students and government pay $300,00 - 400,000 a year to tenured staff to teach a boner course or two a year instead of having a grad student do it for his tuition. These are the guys that should be in jail. Everyone is in it for the bucks. The brick and mortars just do a better job of camouflaging it.

[monchevy]

Corinthian was guilty of the same thing every school is.  They told the same lie that graduates make 1,000 times what non-grads make.  They were guilty of effective marketing.

Non-profits commit a different fraud.  They have the students and government pay $300,00 - 400,000 a year to tenured staff to teach a boner course or two a year instead of having a grad student do it for his tuition.  These are the guys that should be in jail.  Everyone is in it for the bucks.  The brick and mortars  just do a better job of camouflaging it.

That I agree with. Schools are in it for the money, no matter what their designation. Public or private, profit or non. The problem is when schools offer substandard education to anyone who can write a check, and promise them the world on top of it. There are so many people out there paying a fortune to schools that don't care what shoddy work they hand in. College is not for everyone. All schools should have academic standards. 

I work with someone who can't write, can't spell, and can barely express himself in English. Nor does he understand English very well. Yet he somehow has a degree from a CUNY university. How did he get through 4 years of classes without being taught English? How did he get passing grades on his assignments? Now mind you, I have nothing against people who speak English as a second language. His English is miles better than my Spanish!! But again, how do you get a degree from an American university without being able to read and write in English? 

I'm also in CC classes online with people whose discussion posts I can barely make sense of (most of them speak English as their native language). How did they graduate high school? How are they passing any classes at all?

The main point of this rant is that people are graduating from college woefully unprepared for the working world, simply because they paid for a degree. Yet folks like me, with no degree at all but decades of documented skills and experience, are put BELOW them in the pecking order when it comes to employment. They will get an interview, and my application won't even be seen. And this is what happens when you can buy a degree instead of earning it... whether it's from a non-profit, for-profit, public or private school.

[Alpha]

 ACICS is likely within acceptable quality limits.  The Swamp is back in town.  Enjoy it - good and hard.

I don't think it is. Look at the various debacles of ACICS-accredited schools that brought this mess to the forefront. e.g. Corinthian. Students "defrauded at 91 campuses." https://www.ed.gov/category/keyword/corinthian-colleges

Is this kind of accreditation 'within acceptable quality limits?' No, it clearly isn't -and this is only one example. When ACICS was shuttered,  it should have stayed shuttered - like Trump University. My take - Betsy DeVos simply made a mistake - one that would please her boss, Donald Trump. I do not suspect her of any personal gain motive. I don't like what she did here, but I don't suspect her of anything like that. She may have been cajoled, (or not) but money? No.

No, this was DeVos all over. She doesn't believe in public anything... 

Here's an article about the legacy of DeVos in the area of higher education
The Betsy DeVos legacy: not much in higher education (insidehighered.com)

[Old Guy]

Here's an article about the legacy of DeVos in the area of higher education
The Betsy DeVos legacy: not much in higher education (insidehighered.com)

Nice vile political rhetoric.  I can create that too, should I choose.  It is interesting how traditional schools lie about the value of education and it is okay but for-profits doing the same thing is bad.

[dfrecore]

 ACICS is likely within acceptable quality limits.  The Swamp is back in town.  Enjoy it - good and hard.

I don't think it is. Look at the various debacles of ACICS-accredited schools that brought this mess to the forefront. e.g. Corinthian. Students "defrauded at 91 campuses." https://www.ed.gov/category/keyword/corinthian-colleges

Is this kind of accreditation 'within acceptable quality limits?' No, it clearly isn't -and this is only one example. When ACICS was shuttered,  it should have stayed shuttered - like Trump University. My take - Betsy DeVos simply made a mistake - one that would please her boss, Donald Trump. I do not suspect her of any personal gain motive. I don't like what she did here, but I don't suspect her of anything like that. She may have been cajoled, (or not) but money? No.

No, this was DeVos all over. She doesn't believe in public anything... 

Here's an article about the legacy of DeVos in the area of higher education
The Betsy DeVos legacy: not much in higher education (insidehighered.com)

Actually, as a former homeschooler, I appreciate Betsy DeVos - she was pro-homeschooling.  She's also pro-school-choice, which is nice.

No idea on the college thing, I haven't spent any time researching that.  But I'm sure there's good and bad there - as there are with most people.

[Alpha]

Apparently we are in the midst of a lengthy period of voting, revoking, appealing, etc but the final outcome seems clear.  ACICS will lose its authority and the schools that have remained under their accreditation will have 18 months to find another accreditor or they will lose their financial aid eligibility.  This will be a death sentence for most of them.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/higher...ve-updates

[monchevy]

Apparently we are in the midst of a lengthy period of voting, revoking, appealing, etc but the final outcome seems clear.  ACICS will lose its authority and the schools that have remained under their accreditation will have 18 months to find another accreditor or they will lose their financial aid eligibility.  This will be a death sentence for most of them.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/higher...ve-updates

GOOD.

[Johann]

Apparently we are in the midst of a lengthy period of voting, revoking, appealing, etc but the final outcome seems clear.  ACICS will lose its authority and the schools that have remained under their accreditation will have 18 months to find another accreditor or they will lose their financial aid eligibility.  This will be a death sentence for most of them.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/higher...ve-updates

GOOD.

GREAT! Folks over at ACCET and ACCSC (and to some extent DEAC) should plan for extra phone lines. The good will apply - the bad will die.