ASU credit for $99 until 08-17-2020!

[MNomadic]

To be fair, I knew the Aleks thing would come up and I agree that paying $425 for something that's probably 99% identical to a $20/month class is obviously not a good deal. I wasn't familiar with the english classes either. I suppose it will depend on what specific classes you go for. I didn't bother with those classes since I already had them via community college and alt credits. 

I suppose the main value of the ASU classes is for the more unique courses that can't easily be found elsewhere.

I hope the ability to start classes without consequences catches on with other schools since I think that could really benefit the flawed education system.

Are the ALEKS credits RA credit though? If not, then apples and oranges are being compared.

In this instance, Dfrecore and I were discussing the quality of course content. I claimed that ASU courses were better quality than most alt credits but Dfrecore pointed out that ASU uses the Aleks platform for some of its math courses, therefore quality would be equivalent in that case. While yes, RA is better than ACE, when comparing how good the educational material is, $20/month from aleks would be a better value.

[Kab]

As far as I see it, you are paying for who certifies the knowledge not for attaining or using one instructional system or another for the knowledge itself.

[innen_oda]

You gave your perspective on the price, and I gave mine. You said that where you live, that's expensive. I said where I live, that's cheap. We both offered an opinion of the price based on where we live. Why is it OK for you to do that, but not me? 

And NOWHERE did I suggest that they not lower the price. You think I wouldn't be thrilled with even lower prices?? I'm working three side jobs on top of a FT job to pay for my degree (because my rent is $2k/month for a 1-room apartment). No financial aid, no loans... nothing. So don't read something into my situation that isn't there.

'Don't read something that isn't there. Also, why do you think it's not okay for me to share my perspective?'
Yeah, that is annoying. Good thing I haven't a problem with you sharing your view.


Originally, the whole point of market economics and market-driven economies is that the customer wants to drive prices lower, and the business wants to drive prices higher. The battle between the two, so the theory goes, is what brings the price to the fairest equilibrium.
Unfortunately, the theory failed to account for the impacts of 'training' an entire populace of customers to defend the businesses before themselves. Which brings us to the current situation in the US, where customers actually leap to the defense of the business. 'Temporarily embarrassed millionaires', rather than exploited workers.

People wonder why are prices for university so high, and why consumer rights are so dreadful in America.
Truly, it is a mystery.

Anyway, I recant my suggestion for an alternative pricing structure (seriously, did anyone read what I actually suggested?), and instead accept that since the cost isn't $900+ a credit, it must be a good deal.

[monchevy]

You gave your perspective on the price, and I gave mine. You said that where you live, that's expensive. I said where I live, that's cheap. We both offered an opinion of the price based on where we live. Why is it OK for you to do that, but not me? 

And NOWHERE did I suggest that they not lower the price. You think I wouldn't be thrilled with even lower prices?? I'm working three side jobs on top of a FT job to pay for my degree (because my rent is $2k/month for a 1-room apartment). No financial aid, no loans... nothing. So don't read something into my situation that isn't there.

'Don't read something that isn't there. Also, why do you think it's not okay for me to share my perspective?'
Yeah, that is annoying. Good thing I haven't a problem with you sharing your view.


Originally, the whole point of market economics and market-driven economies is that the customer wants to drive prices lower, and the business wants to drive prices higher. The battle between the two, so the theory goes, is what brings the price to the fairest equilibrium.
Unfortunately, the theory failed to account for the impacts of 'training' an entire populace of customers to defend the businesses before themselves. Which brings us to the current situation in the US, where customers actually leap to the defense of the business. 'Temporarily embarrassed millionaires', rather than exploited workers.

People wonder why are prices for university so high, and why consumer rights are so dreadful in America.
Truly, it is a mystery.

Anyway, I recant my suggestion for an alternative pricing structure (seriously, did anyone read what I actually suggested?), and instead accept that since the cost isn't $900+ a credit, it must be a good deal.

Um... OK. 

[bluebooger]

> People wonder why are prices for university so high,

because getting a loan is so easy
let's raise the price to $1000 a credit ! they can just take a loan to pay for it

[Alpha]

You gave your perspective on the price, and I gave mine. You said that where you live, that's expensive. I said where I live, that's cheap. We both offered an opinion of the price based on where we live. Why is it OK for you to do that, but not me? 

And NOWHERE did I suggest that they not lower the price. You think I wouldn't be thrilled with even lower prices?? I'm working three side jobs on top of a FT job to pay for my degree (because my rent is $2k/month for a 1-room apartment). No financial aid, no loans... nothing. So don't read something into my situation that isn't there.

People wonder why are prices for university so high, and why consumer rights are so dreadful in America.
Truly, it is a mystery.

Prices certainly are high, at least by my standards, but I think there are some people who believe they know why.  Understanding it and changing it are two very different things however.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncoop...expensive/

[ss20ts]

Prices certainly are high, at least by my standards, but I think there are some people who believe they know why.  Understanding it and changing it are two very different things however.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncoop...expensive/

That was a good article. Thanks for sharing it! All of those fancy stadiums cost millions. TESU has 7 buildings and they're building another one. They only have nursing students on campus. Why so many buildings? Too much admin overhead? I see this with a lot of schools. Schools want faculty with doctorates. Well those folks want to be paid well because they spent the time and money to get those degrees. Student loans are easy to get. The government literally gives them to everyone. It's an interesting mix of problems. It's going to take a handful of schools to really revamp their schools and be a model for change. 

[jch]

I'd love to see some new courses, especially self-paced.

I just found a different version of their course catalog PDF that lists a few additional things. The course catalog linked at the bottom of the courses page is still the 2019-2020 version. However, if you go to the about/marketing-materials page, there is a 2020-2021 v2 course catalog there. 
New things listed include BIO100 Bio Beyond/The Living world, a four-credit self-paced biology class, and SES106 Habitable Worlds, a four-credit self-paced astronomy course. Neither have staff listed nor do they appear on the website. This is the biology offering that I've heard rumors about but could never find information on. Some of the rebranded ULC marketing materials also list these courses. I'm going to email them to ask about the status. 
Curiously, both catalog documents are missing MAT170 Precalculus. I think that's just a mistake, as the course is still listed on the website for 2021 and 2022 start dates, in addition to self-paced.

[rachel83az]

Having more self-paced options is definitely nice. I hope those get added soon for students who need/want them.

[ROYISAGIRL]

I'd love to see some new courses, especially self-paced.

I just found a different version of their course catalog PDF that lists a few additional things. The course catalog linked at the bottom of the courses page is still the 2019-2020 version. However, if you go to the about/marketing-materials page, there is a 2020-2021 v2 course catalog there. 
New things listed include BIO100 Bio Beyond/The Living world, a four-credit self-paced biology class, and SES106 Habitable Worlds, a four-credit self-paced astronomy course. Neither have staff listed nor do they appear on the website. This is the biology offering that I've heard rumors about but could never find information on. Some of the rebranded ULC marketing materials also list these courses. I'm going to email them to ask about the status. 
Curiously, both catalog documents are missing MAT170 Precalculus. I think that's just a mistake, as the course is still listed on the website for 2021 and 2022 start dates, in addition to self-paced.

I'm curious about thr habitable world. I wonder is that some sort of Environmental course or something similar
Edit because I missed that whole part that it's astronomy
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