ACLAS: Is this even legal?

[ArshveerCheema]

Openair, I can't directly reply to you because sometimes I can't see posts but Validential isn't that bad. Sure, it's not as widely accepted but still, tons of schools respect and accept Validential.

[openair]

A number of schools accept Validential. But I can imagine that they would quickly break off any ties after finding out about their practices. At some point though, a submission of a positively evaluated credential from ACLAS could serve as an eye-opener. Of course, many college admission people won't double-check, which helps to keep the business afloat.

[bjcheung77]

For applications to government or immigration agencies, Validential evaluations won't work. Having said that, for educational or employment, it may still be an option for those who would want to get this evaluated. I don't know if anyone would even use IEE or Validential to get their evaluations for application to this institution, it's more of a money grab on both ends as they're cross advertising...

Note: It's very confusing on the partnership as the guide example evaluation shows it was for US equivalency, that's where I was confused on, I was thinking it was an evaluation of ACLAS for possible transfer to other NA/RA institutions that accept IEE/Validential evaluations. I would wonder if a Validential evaluation for Canada would be helpful, to get into an RA/NA institution here in the USA...

[openair]

Even apart from the ethics of it all (getting a credential evaluation to state something untrue about your education), where is the utility in getting a Validential evaluation for Canada?

Canada has its own acceptable credential evalaution agencies. They form the Alliance of Credential Evaluation Services of Canada. They currently include six members;

Comparative Education Service (CES);
International Credential Assessment Service of Canada (ICAS);
International Qualifications Assessment Service (IQAS);
International Credential Evaluation Service (ICES);
Ministère de l'Immigration, de la Francisation et de l'Inclusion du Québec (MIFI) and
World Education Services Canada (WES).

I've also heard of individual Canadian colleges/universities accepting NACES member evaluations, whether done for Canadian or U.S. further education purposes. But I've never heard of a single Canadian college accepting Validential instead. Any examples of this? This could likely only be used to hoodwink business sector employers. I suppose that make some sinister sense with the MBA. Degree-requiring Canadian government jobs may likewise be off limits with a credential evaluation from Validential.

[Nemfis]

For applications to government or immigration agencies, Validential evaluations won't work.  Having said that, for educational or employment, it may still be an option for those who would want to get this evaluated.  I don't know if anyone would even use IEE or Validential to get their evaluations for application to this institution, it's more of a money grab on both ends as they're cross advertising...

Note: It's very confusing on the partnership as the guide example evaluation shows it was for US equivalency, that's where I was confused on, I was thinking it was an evaluation of ACLAS for possible transfer to other NA/RA institutions that accept IEE/Validential evaluations.  I would wonder if a Validential evaluation for Canada would be helpful, to get into an RA/NA institution here in the USA...

Validential represents itself as 100% acceptance for immigration agencies, and I wasn't sure about this statement being true. Now, after you said that Validential won't work - I won't apply for immigration via Validential.

[openair]

On this forum, a lot of people started using Validential due to their favorable treatment of ENEB/Universidad Isabel I degrees. While I can understand the initial impulse to get a direct Master’s equivalency, the legitimization of Validential was a huge mistake in hindsight. Apart from providing a service to propio graduates, they have since also given favorable treatment to degree mills and attributed accreditation to institutions that never had it in their own countries. This should immediately disqualify them as a serious agency for foreign degree evaluations.

While I personally appreciate what might be referred to as “gray zone qualifications" (Spanish propios arguably fall into this category), what is black and white should remain so. We’re dealing with a black and white situation here. ACLAS has no accreditation. What’s even worse, they don’t even have a license. A company claiming that ACLAS is equivalent to an accredited university makes a mockery of basic standards of honest credential evaluation. This should put an end to any promotion of this company, at least for those of us who care about values like honesty.

[Jonathan Whatley]

I've never heard of a Canadian university asking for a foreign credential evaluation for a US degree and the idea seems outlandish. Canadians are used to recognizing American equivalencies pretty directly, in education and in general. A Canadian university will accept US RA and some Canadian universities would consider US NA.

For example, my mother sent her transcript from the US RA university she started at to a Canadian university. The Canadian university granted transfer credit and she completed her degree in Canada. There was no foreign credential evaluation.

The idea of a Canadian employer using a foreign credential evaluation to assess a US degree is even more outlandish.

Although there's a large market for foreign credential evaluations recognized in Canada, they're all or materially all for credentials from third countries like India.

Very occasionally a Canadian government agency might use an FCE of an American school for something like an occupational license e.g., for teaching or an allied health profession. Do not expect this school to be accepted in those contexts.

[openair]

I've never heard of a Canadian university asking for a foreign credential evaluation for a US degree and the idea seems outlandish. Canadians are used to recognizing American equivalencies pretty directly, in education and in general. A Canadian university will accept US RA and some Canadian universities would consider US NA.

For example, my mother sent her transcript from the US RA university she started at to a Canadian university. The Canadian university granted transfer credit and she completed her degree there. There was no foreign credential evaluation.

Although there's a large market for foreign credential evaluations recognized in Canada, they're all or materially all for credentials from third countries like India.

It's true. This would not normally be requested for American university graduates, real university graduates.

[openair]

When I spoke about "gray zone qualifications", I wanted to clarify that I specifically meant something like this: https://www.aacrao.org/resources/newslet...t-a-degree

Here's a nice definition: "qualifications issued by recognized HEI’s [higher education institutions] in various countries but without official recognition as formal academic degrees from the authorities governing education in those countries."

These qualifications have something in common: they are all issued by recognized/accredited institutions of higher education in full accordance with the laws of a specific country. They are known in that country. ENEB/Universidad Isabel I degrees are just one example of this type of qualification. You will find similar qualifications in Italy, Brazil and other places in the world.

Unaccredited institutions issuing unaccredited degrees do not provide such qualifications. That's the main point.

[ArshveerCheema]

Even apart from the ethics of it all (getting a credential evaluation to state something untrue about your education), where is the utility in getting a Validential evaluation for Canada?

Canada has its own acceptable credential evalaution agencies. They form the Alliance of Credential Evaluation Services of Canada. They currently include six members;

Comparative Education Service (CES);
International Credential Assessment Service of Canada (ICAS);
International Qualifications Assessment Service (IQAS);
International Credential Evaluation Service (ICES);
Ministère de l'Immigration, de la Francisation et de l'Inclusion du Québec (MIFI) and
World Education Services Canada (WES).

I've also heard of individual Canadian colleges/universities accepting NACES member evaluations, whether done for Canadian or U.S. further education purposes. But I've never heard of a single Canadian college accepting Validential instead. Any examples of this? This could likely only be used to hoodwink business sector employers. I suppose that make some sinister sense with the MBA. Degree-requiring Canadian government jobs may likewise be off limits with a credential evaluation from Validential.

Well, ENEB accepts degrees from like anywhere so even without the evaluation, it should suffice. 

Although, I received my degrees from them and was never asked about my former education. 

There are also lots of other respected foreign schools on this forum, that should accept the degree, especially with the support of the evaluation.

Lastly, I have other uses for this degree, besides those mentioned above. I will let you guys know of the relevant one I've tested my hypothesis.

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Well, unfortunately, I can't see my own post again so I can't directly edit it but the point is, one can use that degree to get admission to a school like ENEB and in ENEB's case, the person can quickly finish their degree and use the now-acquired ENEB degree for the program of their choosing. This could work with a number of other schools as well.