ENEB Master Thread

[Xin]

MASTER IN COACHING AND MINDFULNESS and their MASTER IN FINTECH & BLOCKCHAIN seem interesting...

I agree, but there are more changes than that, and more changes are reflected inside each course's prospectus, noting the course content and syllabus, as well as the length of the course

[reichwerden]

Do you know if there is still the possibility to do the one exam in the Global MBA?

[DEGREESTEVE]

So far, I have only received the MBA (no response on the others), and there is no mention of "propio" on the certificate, transcript, or Isabel I validation portal.

[soulblader]

That's correct, Propio will not be evaluated the same as Oficial, this is going to be the case no matter how you try to slice things.  Even though it's recognized in Spain, the recognition is different (it's not like RA vs NA), the main restrictions are 'working for government agencies' and getting into doctoral studies at research institutions.  ECCTIS shouldn't evaluate it as equivalent to UK Masters either as there is no thesis, it'll be evaluated as UK Level 7 diploma, you'll need a top-up program to get the Masters of your choice.

It will NOT

they change the policy, now ECCTIS only evaluate Titlo Oficial

There is NO WAY to use ENEB to do TOP UP master now in UK

I already ask ECCTIS, they requested for a Titlo Oficial

[nykorn]

I checked over the new Hospitality degree. Yes the course contents are almost completely different! However I'm not sure there isn't still a bunch of overlap between other courses. The degree now contains sections from Accounting, Project Management, Human Resource Management, Strategic Management, Marketing, and Digitalization (chapters with Blockchain, Big Data, AI, etc).

I feel that some of these sections, such as Blockchain, are irrelevant to the reality of how hotels are run, who runs them, and what you need to know to run one. People in the hotel industry just buy a prebuilt software package subscription without knowing anything about computing and then run it for 20 years. Most of their bookings are fed to them from external sites like Expedia and Booking.com and they either add them in to their booking software by hand or their software automatically feeds them in to the timeslots. Despite that the software does its own accounting we still have to check it by hand and note the discrepancies (which for some reason occur in the system when people pay in cash or use virtual credit cards), so we do our "accounting" by copy-pasting numbers into a prebuilt Excel sheet and Emailing it to the owner, who feeds it into his accounting program. My coworkers have to ask me how to make a new tab in Excel. I had to tell them that they could print the invoices sideways to make the text bigger, and no one has updated the official website in over 5 years because no one knows how. These kinds of people are who are running hotels. They would benefit from stuff like a section on how to use Excel (which, btw, was part of my courses in Accounting at trade school for Hospitality), a lesson on that having 300 tabs open will make your computer run slow, and a clear sample of how different Reception and Accounting softwares work - they don't need stuff more advanced. I might write my own online course at this point! Sometimes ENEB seems to be looking at some kind of ideal high-tech world instead of the realities of the business world, or is it just me?

ENEB removed all the "emotional" aspects that used to be in the degree including Corporate Social Responsibility, NLP and Coaching (unless they renamed the coaching part). I'm fully on board with this as that stuff was all common sense really.

However they also removed a ton of hotel & tourism specific information which should actually be included in a Hotel degree including the history, types & laws of hotels, catering (Food & Beverage Management), Front Desk management and so on. Now there are actually only 3 chapters in the whole degree that are related to hotels.

[slammX]

I checked over the new Hospitality degree. Yes the course contents are almost completely different! However I'm not sure there isn't still a bunch of overlap between other courses. The degree now contains sections from Accounting, Project Management, Human Resource Management, Strategic Management, Marketing, and Digitalization (chapters with Blockchain, Big Data, AI, etc). Also I feel that some of these sections, such as Blockchain, are irrelevant to the reality of how hotels are run, who runs them, and what you need to know to run one. People in the hotel industry just buy a prebuilt software package subscription without knowing anything about computing and then run it for 20 years.

They removed all the "emotional" aspects that used to be in the degree including Corporate Social Responsibility, NLP and Coaching (unless they renamed the coaching part).

However they also removed a ton of hotel & tourism specific information which should actually be included in a Hotel degree including the history, types & laws of hotels, catering (Food & Beverage Management), Front Desk management and so on. Now there are actually only 3 chapters in the whole degree that are related to hotels.

There will certainly be overlap across a multiple courses, but they have reduced the instances where any one course is significantly similar to any one other course. The way the courses were structured before felt like a money-making exercise because most courses had significant overlap with the MBA. Do the MBA, pay us, do two more courses and we'll give you another Masters. Pay us again, do two more courses and you get another Masters. It was pretty ridiculous to be honest. 

I just compared the new Big Data Masters to the new MBA - they now only have two courses in common, so this is clearly an improvement in the value that each additional Masters will add compared to before.

[bjcheung77]

Can someone contact both https://www.ecctis.com/ and also https://www.enic.org.uk/ to verify the UK has abandoned the Spanish Level 7 Propio? Please...

[Mems88]

That's correct, Propio will not be evaluated the same as Oficial, this is going to be the case no matter how you try to slice things.  Even though it's recognized in Spain, the recognition is different (it's not like RA vs NA), the main restrictions are 'working for government agencies' and getting into doctoral studies at research institutions.  ECCTIS shouldn't evaluate it as equivalent to UK Masters either as there is no thesis, it'll be evaluated as UK Level 7 diploma, you'll need a top-up program to get the Masters of your choice.

It will NOT

they change the policy, now ECCTIS only evaluate Titlo Oficial

There is NO WAY to use ENEB to do TOP UP master now in UK

I already ask ECCTIS, they requested for a Titlo Oficial

I can only agree with you; this is the response from Ecctis.

,,Hello, 

Thank you for your application. 

Unfortunately, we are unable to assess this qualification as it is not nationally recognised at a specific level within the education system of the country of origin. 

For our services, qualifications need to be acknowledged by the relevant authorities as representing completion of a specific level of education in the country of study. Based on our research and review, we note that your qualification does not meet this requirement and therefore we are unable to include it within your assessment. 

We recommended that you present details of this qualification directly to potential employers / admitting institutions as confirmation of your professional competencies and skills, for consideration on an individual basis. 

To remove this qualification from the service, please select the "Remove Qualification" button to the right of this response. This will mean that we can continue with any other qualifications you have provided for this service that are suitable. 

If there are no other qualifications for this service we can assess, you can request a refund by sending a message in the “Send Message” section within the Order Status section or “Contact Us” section within the main portal. Please clearly mention the service(s) you wish to cancel. 

Please note, refunds are subject to administration fees. For more information, please see the agreed terms: https://www.ecctis.com/About%20Us/Terms.aspx 

Kind regards, 

The Evaluations Team“

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That's correct, Propio will not be evaluated the same as Oficial, this is going to be the case no matter how you try to slice things.  Even though it's recognized in Spain, the recognition is different (it's not like RA vs NA), the main restrictions are 'working for government agencies' and getting into doctoral studies at research institutions.  ECCTIS shouldn't evaluate it as equivalent to UK Masters either as there is no thesis, it'll be evaluated as UK Level 7 diploma, you'll need a top-up program to get the Masters of your choice.

It will NOT

they change the policy, now ECCTIS only evaluate Titlo Oficial

There is NO WAY to use ENEB to do TOP UP master now in UK

I already ask ECCTIS, they requested for a Titlo Oficial

I can only agree with you; this is the response from Ecctis.

……. Hello, 

Thank you for your application. 

Unfortunately, we are unable to assess this qualification as it is not nationally recognised at a specific level within the education system of the country of origin. 

For our services, qualifications need to be acknowledged by the relevant authorities as representing completion of a specific level of education in the country of study. Based on our research and review, we note that your qualification does not meet this requirement and therefore we are unable to include it within your assessment. 

We recommended that you present details of this qualification directly to potential employers / admitting institutions as confirmation of your professional competencies and skills, for consideration on an individual basis. 

To remove this qualification from the service, please select the "Remove Qualification" button to the right of this response. This will mean that we can continue with any other qualifications you have provided for this service that are suitable. 

If there are no other qualifications for this service we can assess, you can request a refund by sending a message in the “Send Message” section within the Order Status section or “Contact Us” section within the main portal. Please clearly mention the service(s) you wish to cancel. 

Please note, refunds are subject to administration fees. For more information, please see the agreed terms: https://www.ecctis.com/About%20Us/Terms.aspx 

Kind regards, 

The Evaluations Team

[Mems88]

That's correct, Propio will not be evaluated the same as Oficial, this is going to be the case no matter how you try to slice things.  Even though it's recognized in Spain, the recognition is different (it's not like RA vs NA), the main restrictions are 'working for government agencies' and getting into doctoral studies at research institutions.  ECCTIS shouldn't evaluate it as equivalent to UK Masters either as there is no thesis, it'll be evaluated as UK Level 7 diploma, you'll need a top-up program to get the Masters of your choice.

It will NOT

they change the policy, now ECCTIS only evaluate Titlo Oficial

There is NO WAY to use ENEB to do TOP UP master now in UK

I already ask ECCTIS, they requested for a Titlo Oficial

I can only agree with you; this is the response from Ecctis.

……..

Hello, 

Thank you for your application. 

Unfortunately, we are unable to assess this qualification as it is not nationally recognised at a specific level within the education system of the country of origin. 

For our services, qualifications need to be acknowledged by the relevant authorities as representing completion of a specific level of education in the country of study. Based on our research and review, we note that your qualification does not meet this requirement and therefore we are unable to include it within your assessment. 

We recommended that you present details of this qualification directly to potential employers / admitting institutions as confirmation of your professional competencies and skills, for consideration on an individual basis. 
……..


Does anyone have a tip and an alternative for evaluation?

[bjcheung77]

Can someone contact both https://www.ecctis.com/ and also https://www.enic.org.uk/ to verify the UK has abandoned the Spanish Level 7 Propio? Please...

Basically... Changes occur in and out of the country, before and after BREXIT, I've alluded to this two years ago and also last year...
Another thread from last year: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid393221
Within this thread, 2 years ago: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid373540
Again, can someone check with https://www.enic.org.uk/ to verify the UK has abandoned the Spanish Level 7 Propio? Please...