ENEB Master Thread

[KSoul]

Having lived in China for a few years, I know it is common in foreign countries for classic English misspellings or poor interpretations like this in marketing material. Ironically, this often comes from uneducated Americans or part-time comedians charged with translations. For example, East China Normal University is one of China's most prestigious teaching universities. This isn't a misspelling; however, I am confident the school's President had a higher interest than 'Normal' when trying to promote the university to the Western World. Locals get a kick out of it.

No, who is going to take those EXAMNS?

FYI, in English, a "Normal School" is an old-fashioned term for a teaching college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_school Arizona State University started life as a "Normal School". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...University It sounds weird to modern ears, but it's not wrong.  

double post/error

[BadSquirrelBeta]

The latest email mentioned “Only this week” and only under June 30th which makes me feel that ENEB is piloting this new approach and testing water to see how many interested (and additional $$$$$$ generated)

Agreed.

[MrPanda]

Having lived in China for a few years, I know it is common in foreign countries for classic English misspellings or poor interpretations like this in marketing material. Ironically, this often comes from uneducated Americans or part-time comedians charged with translations. For example, East China Normal University is one of China's most prestigious teaching universities. This isn't a misspelling; however, I am confident the school's President had a higher interest than 'Normal' when trying to promote the university to the Western World. Locals get a kick out of it.

No, who is going to take those EXAMNS?

FYI, in English, a "Normal School" is an old-fashioned term for a teaching college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_school Arizona State University started life as a "Normal School". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...University It sounds weird to modern ears, but it's not wrong.  

[xianbd]

Having lived in China for a few years, I know it is common in foreign countries for classic English misspellings or poor interpretations like this in marketing material. Ironically, this often comes from uneducated Americans or part-time comedians charged with translations. For example, East China Normal University is one of China's most prestigious teaching universities. This isn't a misspelling; however, I am confident the school's President had a higher interest than 'Normal' when trying to promote the university to the Western World. Locals get a kick out of it.

No, who is going to take those EXAMNS?

FYI, in English, a "Normal School" is an old-fashioned term for a teaching college. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_school Arizona State University started life as a "Normal School". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...University It sounds weird to modern ears, but it's not wrong.  

Thanks for the share. I had heard some connections there, and also, by the numbers think the university in China came first and could still be inspired by Western influence.

Agree with how it lands as the first time; I got a kick out of it, as the person sharing the story did as well.

Other than that, Chinese people expect teachers to educate with high social and moral standards. The founders of these teachers' colleges find that the word "normal" from Ecole Normale perfectly fits with the traditional ideas of education in China.

In fact, the name 
"华      东          师                       范                                    大学"  can be interpreted literally word by word as:
"China Eastern  (Teacher/Teach)   (Model/Example/Standard)   University"

[Jakob]

Correct me wrong but before you got 2 x 60 ECTS when finishing a MBA+Master's degree. Now you only get 72 ECTS with the new exam type.

[sanantone]

I can't help you with auto company stocks. That isn't really my thing, but I did predict that more for-profit colleges would be converted to non-profits. LOL

Excellent–it still has a long way to catch up to the non-profit closers that continue to stack up. However, that doesn't fit the narrative, so why bother keeping count?

I didn't say anything about closures, but since you brought them up, for-profit colleges are the ones overrepresented in school closures. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/edwardconro...79c51fa368

Did you forget to click the study? (the answer is Yep)– Let me help you with the research article that only favors your position if we are debating 2-year schools, which would be a silly and creative way to mislead the room. Even without the study, the data in the Forbes article should have caused you to want to dig deeper before posting.

'Out of the 467 closed institutions, the report considered, almost 50 percent were private for-profit two-year colleges, and 28 percent were private for-profit four-year colleges.'

Here's the study: https://sheeo.org/wp-content/uploads/202...eport1.pdf

Thanks for bringing the study to the forum, as it was enlightening.

LOL. Do you not know what overrepresented means? They are disproportionately represented among school closures. That means the percentage of school closures that involve for-profit institutions is higher than the percentage of colleges and universities that are for-profit. Yes, even 4-year for-profits are OVERREPRESENTED.

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Either Ksoul didn't actually look at the study, or they didn't comprehend what the figures meant. The report included simple, easy to understand graphics, so I'm not sure how a college-educated person could get confused.

https://ibb.co/ScpLXn1

49.9% of school closures involved 2-year for-profits 
28.1% of school closures involved 4-year for-profits 
17.8% of school closures involved 4-year nonprofits
3.4% if school closures involved 2-year nonprofits
0.9% of school closures involved public schools 

Now, which two categories have the highest share of school closures? I put them in descending order to make it easy to figure out.

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The hilarious part is that the study excluded schools that didn't participate in National Student Clearinghouse data collection. Guess which sector is the least likely to report to the National Student Clearinghouse. FOR-PROFITS!!! That means that for-profits were undercounted more than any other sector, and they still made up over three-quarters of school closures.

[KSoul]

I can't help you with auto company stocks. That isn't really my thing, but I did predict that more for-profit colleges would be converted to non-profits. LOL

Excellent–it still has a long way to catch up to the non-profit closers that continue to stack up. However, that doesn't fit the narrative, so why bother keeping count?

I didn't say anything about closures, but since you brought them up, for-profit colleges are the ones overrepresented in school closures. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/edwardconro...79c51fa368

Did you forget to click the study? (the answer is Yep)– Let me help you with the research article that only favors your position if we are debating 2-year schools, which would be a silly and creative way to mislead the room. Even without the study, the data in the Forbes article should have caused you to want to dig deeper before posting.

'Out of the 467 closed institutions, the report considered, almost 50 percent were private for-profit two-year colleges, and 28 percent were private for-profit four-year colleges.'

Here's the study: https://sheeo.org/wp-content/uploads/202...eport1.pdf

Thanks for bringing the study to the forum, as it was enlightening.

LOL. Do you not know what overrepresented means? They are disproportionately represented among school closures. That means the percentage of school closures that involve for-profit institutions is higher than the percentage of colleges and universities that are for-profit. Yes, even 4-year for-profits are OVERREPRESENTED.

---

Either Ksoul didn't actually look at the study, or they didn't comprehend what the figures meant. The report included simple, easy to understand graphics, so I'm not sure how a college-educated person could get confused.

https://ibb.co/ScpLXn1

49.9% of school closures involved 2-year for-profits 
28.1% of school closures involved 4-year for-profits 
17.8% of school closures involved 4-year nonprofits
3.4% if school closures involved 2-year nonprofits
0.9% of school closures involved public schools 

Now, which two categories have the highest share of school closures? I put them in descending order to make it easy to figure out.

---

The hilarious part is that the study excluded schools that didn't participate in National Student Clearinghouse data collection. Guess which sector is the least likely to report to the National Student Clearinghouse. FOR-PROFITS!!! That means that for-profits were undercounted more than any other sector, and they still made up over three-quarters of school closures.

I think what has been lost is that my position was in the narrative that non-provide schools close at a high rate as well. The 4-year variance though meaningful in this study, highlights that 4-year non-profit schools are not a haven to closures vs. for-profit. And, the constant dig at ENEB is a personal agenda.

Side note: since a dig was taken, I am more than open to having fun with a case study analysis challenge whenever we both have a break in our schedules. Your Ph.D. has been pending for some time now, so I am sure you have had plenty of practice and a leg up on me.

[sanantone]

Excellent–it still has a long way to catch up to the non-profit closers that continue to stack up. However, that doesn't fit the narrative, so why bother keeping count?

I didn't say anything about closures, but since you brought them up, for-profit colleges are the ones overrepresented in school closures. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/edwardconro...79c51fa368

Did you forget to click the study? (the answer is Yep)– Let me help you with the research article that only favors your position if we are debating 2-year schools, which would be a silly and creative way to mislead the room. Even without the study, the data in the Forbes article should have caused you to want to dig deeper before posting.

'Out of the 467 closed institutions, the report considered, almost 50 percent were private for-profit two-year colleges, and 28 percent were private for-profit four-year colleges.'

Here's the study: https://sheeo.org/wp-content/uploads/202...eport1.pdf

Thanks for bringing the study to the forum, as it was enlightening.

LOL. Do you not know what overrepresented means? They are disproportionately represented among school closures. That means the percentage of school closures that involve for-profit institutions is higher than the percentage of colleges and universities that are for-profit. Yes, even 4-year for-profits are OVERREPRESENTED.

---

Either Ksoul didn't actually look at the study, or they didn't comprehend what the figures meant. The report included simple, easy to understand graphics, so I'm not sure how a college-educated person could get confused.

https://ibb.co/ScpLXn1

49.9% of school closures involved 2-year for-profits 
28.1% of school closures involved 4-year for-profits 
17.8% of school closures involved 4-year nonprofits
3.4% if school closures involved 2-year nonprofits
0.9% of school closures involved public schools 

Now, which two categories have the highest share of school closures? I put them in descending order to make it easy to figure out.

---

The hilarious part is that the study excluded schools that didn't participate in National Student Clearinghouse data collection. Guess which sector is the least likely to report to the National Student Clearinghouse. FOR-PROFITS!!! That means that for-profits were undercounted more than any other sector, and they still made up over three-quarters of school closures.

I think what has been lost is that my position was in the narrative that non-provide schools close at a high rate as well. The 4-year variance though meaningful in this study, highlights that 4-year non-profit schools are not a haven to closures vs. for-profit. And, the constant dig at ENEB is a personal agenda.

Side note: since a dig was taken, I am more than open to having fun with a case study analysis challenge whenever we both have a break in our schedules. Your Ph.D. has been pending for some time now, so I am sure you have had plenty of practice and a leg up on me.

Underrepresentation and not making up a plurality or majority typically wouldn't be considered a high rate. 40% of for-profits closed between 2010 and 2020. Public and private non-profit colleges don't come close to that.

Oh! I haven't updated my signature on this forum. Thanks for reminding me. Obviously, I received excellent stats and research methods training at a university with standards and real research courses.

[KSoul]

I didn't say anything about closures, but since you brought them up, for-profit colleges are the ones overrepresented in school closures. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/edwardconro...79c51fa368

Did you forget to click the study? (the answer is Yep)– Let me help you with the research article that only favors your position if we are debating 2-year schools, which would be a silly and creative way to mislead the room. Even without the study, the data in the Forbes article should have caused you to want to dig deeper before posting.

'Out of the 467 closed institutions, the report considered, almost 50 percent were private for-profit two-year colleges, and 28 percent were private for-profit four-year colleges.'

Here's the study: https://sheeo.org/wp-content/uploads/202...eport1.pdf

Thanks for bringing the study to the forum, as it was enlightening.

LOL. Do you not know what overrepresented means? They are disproportionately represented among school closures. That means the percentage of school closures that involve for-profit institutions is higher than the percentage of colleges and universities that are for-profit. Yes, even 4-year for-profits are OVERREPRESENTED.

---

Either Ksoul didn't actually look at the study, or they didn't comprehend what the figures meant. The report included simple, easy to understand graphics, so I'm not sure how a college-educated person could get confused.

https://ibb.co/ScpLXn1

49.9% of school closures involved 2-year for-profits 
28.1% of school closures involved 4-year for-profits 
17.8% of school closures involved 4-year nonprofits
3.4% if school closures involved 2-year nonprofits
0.9% of school closures involved public schools 

Now, which two categories have the highest share of school closures? I put them in descending order to make it easy to figure out.

---

The hilarious part is that the study excluded schools that didn't participate in National Student Clearinghouse data collection. Guess which sector is the least likely to report to the National Student Clearinghouse. FOR-PROFITS!!! That means that for-profits were undercounted more than any other sector, and they still made up over three-quarters of school closures.

I think what has been lost is that my position was in the narrative that non-provide schools close at a high rate as well. The 4-year variance though meaningful in this study, highlights that 4-year non-profit schools are not a haven to closures vs. for-profit. And, the constant dig at ENEB is a personal agenda.

Side note: since a dig was taken, I am more than open to having fun with a case study analysis challenge whenever we both have a break in our schedules. Your Ph.D. has been pending for some time now, so I am sure you have had plenty of practice and a leg up on me.

Underrepresentation and not making up a plurality or majority typically wouldn't be considered a high rate. 40% of for-profits closed between 2010 and 2020. Public and private non-profit colleges don't come close to that.

Oh! I haven't updated my signature on this forum. Thanks for reminding me. Obviously, I received excellent stats and research methods training at a university with standards and real research courses.

Legitimate laugh / No digs or smart-ass comments. The signature cracked me up. I am still laughing as I type.

Well played and appreciated.

[sanantone]

Did you forget to click the study? (the answer is Yep)– Let me help you with the research article that only favors your position if we are debating 2-year schools, which would be a silly and creative way to mislead the room. Even without the study, the data in the Forbes article should have caused you to want to dig deeper before posting.

'Out of the 467 closed institutions, the report considered, almost 50 percent were private for-profit two-year colleges, and 28 percent were private for-profit four-year colleges.'

Here's the study: https://sheeo.org/wp-content/uploads/202...eport1.pdf

Thanks for bringing the study to the forum, as it was enlightening.

LOL. Do you not know what overrepresented means? They are disproportionately represented among school closures. That means the percentage of school closures that involve for-profit institutions is higher than the percentage of colleges and universities that are for-profit. Yes, even 4-year for-profits are OVERREPRESENTED.

---

Either Ksoul didn't actually look at the study, or they didn't comprehend what the figures meant. The report included simple, easy to understand graphics, so I'm not sure how a college-educated person could get confused.

https://ibb.co/ScpLXn1

49.9% of school closures involved 2-year for-profits 
28.1% of school closures involved 4-year for-profits 
17.8% of school closures involved 4-year nonprofits
3.4% if school closures involved 2-year nonprofits
0.9% of school closures involved public schools 

Now, which two categories have the highest share of school closures? I put them in descending order to make it easy to figure out.

---

The hilarious part is that the study excluded schools that didn't participate in National Student Clearinghouse data collection. Guess which sector is the least likely to report to the National Student Clearinghouse. FOR-PROFITS!!! That means that for-profits were undercounted more than any other sector, and they still made up over three-quarters of school closures.

I think what has been lost is that my position was in the narrative that non-provide schools close at a high rate as well. The 4-year variance though meaningful in this study, highlights that 4-year non-profit schools are not a haven to closures vs. for-profit. And, the constant dig at ENEB is a personal agenda.

Side note: since a dig was taken, I am more than open to having fun with a case study analysis challenge whenever we both have a break in our schedules. Your Ph.D. has been pending for some time now, so I am sure you have had plenty of practice and a leg up on me.

Underrepresentation and not making up a plurality or majority typically wouldn't be considered a high rate. 40% of for-profits closed between 2010 and 2020. Public and private non-profit colleges don't come close to that.

Oh! I haven't updated my signature on this forum. Thanks for reminding me. Obviously, I received excellent stats and research methods training at a university with standards and real research courses.

Legitimate laugh / No digs or smart-ass comments. The signature cracked me up. I am still laughing as I type.

Well played and appreciated.

LOL. No hard feelings. I sincerely do wish you the best of luck at VUL.