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(03-01-2021, 08:20 PM)monchevy Wrote: But for a lot of us, it's exactly the opposite. $425 is really cheap to a New Yorker, whose state and city schools charge nearly 3x that for a 3-credit course. I'd be grabbing for these courses with both hands if they fit into my degree plan.
Am I the only one who finds this response a little bit gross and unsettling? 'I can afford these courses, therefore there is no need to lower the cost.'
Alternative ASU pricing suggestion: lower the cost for everyone, except New Yorkers.
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(03-01-2021, 09:55 PM)innen_oda Wrote: (03-01-2021, 08:20 PM)monchevy Wrote: But for a lot of us, it's exactly the opposite. $425 is really cheap to a New Yorker, whose state and city schools charge nearly 3x that for a 3-credit course. I'd be grabbing for these courses with both hands if they fit into my degree plan.
Am I the only one who finds this response a little bit gross and unsettling? 'I can afford these courses, therefore there is no need to lower the cost.'
Alternative ASU pricing suggestion: lower the cost for everyone, except New Yorkers.
I think it's about sharing a different perspective. There's no way to make the price of something make everyone happy. At the end of the day, they are a state university which is taxpayer funded. Arizona taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing the cost of tuition so that people around the US and the world can get a better deal on tuition. I also live in New York State and cannot take a class at a state school - community college, college, or university in the SUNY system for $425. This is very in expensive tuition for many of us. Sure it would be great for it to be less, but that's not realistic as the university is taxpayer funded. At the end of the say, the university is a business and must be profitable to remain open. It's also a university that is well thought of nationwide.
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I definitely would like cheaper classes just as much as everyone else, but consider this: the ASU EA(universal learner?) Courses are already deeply discounted from their normal tuition. They're open enrollment for everyone. They're free to audit. They're low risk(just a $25 initial fee), if you fail, don't get as high a grade as you want, or don't need/want the class anymore for any reason at all, you can just choose not to pay the $400 and there's no paper trail of a fail/withdrawn course(in fact there's no way to have anything less than a C on your transcript). That alone is quite Innovative in my mind.
While they're not the cheapest RA credits in the world, they're coming from a decently ranked university. ASU proper is ranked #103 nationally, ranked #1 in innovation for several years running and their online programs have decent rankings as well.
I only did a few courses but they were way higher quality than other online courses I've completed from other online schools(who charge more) and light years ahead of any alternative credit providers I've taken classes with.
All that to say, all things considered, I think the ASU courses are a great value, though if they're able to become even more accessible to students by improved pricing models; I'm all for it.
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(03-01-2021, 09:55 PM)innen_oda Wrote: (03-01-2021, 08:20 PM)monchevy Wrote: But for a lot of us, it's exactly the opposite. $425 is really cheap to a New Yorker, whose state and city schools charge nearly 3x that for a 3-credit course. I'd be grabbing for these courses with both hands if they fit into my degree plan.
Am I the only one who finds this response a little bit gross and unsettling? 'I can afford these courses, therefore there is no need to lower the cost.'
Alternative ASU pricing suggestion: lower the cost for everyone, except New Yorkers.
You gave your perspective on the price, and I gave mine. You said that where you live, that's expensive. I said where I live, that's cheap. We both offered an opinion of the price based on where we live. Why is it OK for you to do that, but not me?
And NOWHERE did I suggest that they not lower the price. You think I wouldn't be thrilled with even lower prices?? I'm working three side jobs on top of a FT job to pay for my degree (because my rent is $2k/month for a 1-room apartment). No financial aid, no loans... nothing. So don't read something into my situation that isn't there.
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It shouldn't shock anyone that people price-shop courses/credits/degrees. Often people explore the idea of non-US degrees primarily because they're cheaper. Sometimes non-US people are shocked by the costs of US degrees. If I go to UNISA I know that my education is being subsidized by the South African people. Some kids move to Germany because the degrees are free, obviously paid by German taxpayers. In this case ASU has found a way to make it work, not just for the students but also for themselves. Here's a little article about the ASU system. It's not specifically about costs but more their overall philosophy.
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/...020821.php
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(03-01-2021, 09:55 PM)innen_oda Wrote: (03-01-2021, 08:20 PM)monchevy Wrote: But for a lot of us, it's exactly the opposite. $425 is really cheap to a New Yorker, whose state and city schools charge nearly 3x that for a 3-credit course. I'd be grabbing for these courses with both hands if they fit into my degree plan.
Am I the only one who finds this response a little bit gross and unsettling? 'I can afford these courses, therefore there is no need to lower the cost.'
Alternative ASU pricing suggestion: lower the cost for everyone, except New Yorkers.
its $141 per credit
that is ridiculously inexpensive
TESU is $400 per credit -- and that's if you're a NJ resident -- its $519 if you're not
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(03-01-2021, 10:41 PM)MNomadic Wrote: I definitely would like cheaper classes just as much as everyone else, but consider this: the ASU EA(universal learner?) Courses are already deeply discounted from their normal tuition. They're open enrollment for everyone. They're free to audit. They're low risk(just a $25 initial fee), if you fail, don't get as high a grade as you want, or don't need/want the class anymore for any reason at all, you can just choose not to pay the $400 and there's no paper trail of a fail/withdrawn course(in fact there's no way to have anything less than a C on your transcript). That alone is quite Innovative in my mind.
I only did a few courses but they were way higher quality than other online courses I've completed from other online schools(who charge more) and light years ahead of any alternative credit providers I've taken classes with.
My son is taking College Algebra, which is an ALEKS course - ALEKS charges $20/mo for the same course. So I'm not seeing how that course in particular (nor Precalc) should be priced at $425.
The English 101 course he's taking is self-paced and not great. No instructor comments or feedback on his papers. Again, I'm not seeing huge value in the course.
So, just from our perspective, the quality is not nearly what I would expect from a regular online course. Not sure what courses are better, I'm sure there are some, but I've just not been impressed at this point.
I do agree that the ability to take the course without any consequences is fantastic though.
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The ones I've taken were pretty good. Except chemistry. That chemistry is evil. If I had to, I would happily have paid $425 for the courses. But I am even happier that I was able to get them for $99 when they had their promotion going on.
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(03-02-2021, 06:00 PM)dfrecore Wrote: (03-01-2021, 10:41 PM)MNomadic Wrote: I definitely would like cheaper classes just as much as everyone else, but consider this: the ASU EA(universal learner?) Courses are already deeply discounted from their normal tuition. They're open enrollment for everyone. They're free to audit. They're low risk(just a $25 initial fee), if you fail, don't get as high a grade as you want, or don't need/want the class anymore for any reason at all, you can just choose not to pay the $400 and there's no paper trail of a fail/withdrawn course(in fact there's no way to have anything less than a C on your transcript). That alone is quite Innovative in my mind.
I only did a few courses but they were way higher quality than other online courses I've completed from other online schools(who charge more) and light years ahead of any alternative credit providers I've taken classes with.
My son is taking College Algebra, which is an ALEKS course - ALEKS charges $20/mo for the same course. So I'm not seeing how that course in particular (nor Precalc) should be priced at $425.
The English 101 course he's taking is self-paced and not great. No instructor comments or feedback on his papers. Again, I'm not seeing huge value in the course.
So, just from our perspective, the quality is not nearly what I would expect from a regular online course. Not sure what courses are better, I'm sure there are some, but I've just not been impressed at this point.
I do agree that the ability to take the course without any consequences is fantastic though. To be fair, I knew the Aleks thing would come up and I agree that paying $425 for something that's probably 99% identical to a $20/month class is obviously not a good deal. I wasn't familiar with the english classes either. I suppose it will depend on what specific classes you go for. I didn't bother with those classes since I already had them via community college and alt credits.
I suppose the main value of the ASU classes is for the more unique courses that can't easily be found elsewhere.
I hope the ability to start classes without consequences catches on with other schools since I think that could really benefit the flawed education system.
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(03-02-2021, 06:55 PM)MNomadic Wrote: To be fair, I knew the Aleks thing would come up and I agree that paying $425 for something that's probably 99% identical to a $20/month class is obviously not a good deal. I wasn't familiar with the english classes either. I suppose it will depend on what specific classes you go for. I didn't bother with those classes since I already had them via community college and alt credits.
I suppose the main value of the ASU classes is for the more unique courses that can't easily be found elsewhere.
I hope the ability to start classes without consequences catches on with other schools since I think that could really benefit the flawed education system.
Are the ALEKS credits RA credit though? If not, then apples and oranges are being compared.
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