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What do you mean Trump didn’t explicitly lie? The moderators had to fact-check him multiple times.

For instance, there is no state where people can get a post-birth abortion. That is a lie. Not a lie by omission, simply a lie. It is made up. It doesnt happen.

Oh crap, this is a highly political issue. I'm not going to discuss right or wrong, just the facts of what was said and what is true.

Trump said:
"They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia, not the current governor, who's doing an excellent job, but the governor before. He said the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby. In other words, we'll execute the baby."

Here is previous Virginia governor Ralph Northam exact words:
"If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/northam-term-...21857.html

Trump said:
"But her vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. He also says execution after birth, it's execution, no longer abortion, because the baby is born, is okay. And that's not okay with me."

Tim Walz signed a bill removing any limits to abortion all the way to 9 months.
https://www.studentsforlifeaction.org/la...minnesota/

Eight babies who survived abortions in Minnesota were abandoned and sadly perished under Walz (data from MN dept of health)
https://thedispatch.com/article/claims-a...-are-true/

Analysis

Trump lied by omission, making it seem as though a mother carrying a baby to term, then going into labor, could decide to abort the baby mid-labor, and the doctor would set a healthy baby aside, then decide with the mother whether the baby should be killed—creating horrific images in people's minds of a doctor smothering the baby to death with a blanket or something similar.

These cases generally involve babies with severe defects who are unable to survive outside the womb. In some instances, a botched abortion may result in a baby being born who cannot survive without medical intervention. However, with medical support, some of these babies may survive and grow into healthy individuals. In some states, doctors are allowed to refuse providing medical care to aborted babies. 

The right argues that late-term abortions (after 6 months) in cases where the baby is viable should only be performed when the mother's life is at stake or if the baby has severe defects (medical exceptions, which Trump supports).

The left's interpretation of when the mother's health is in jeopardy can encompass physical, emotional, psychological, and even familial well-being, which can be highly subjective. The right is concerned that an unethical doctor could abuse this system.

Trump said:
"They all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote. And that's what happened, happened. Now, Ohio, the vote was somewhat liberal. Kansas the vote was somewhat liberal. Much more liberal than people would have thought. But each individual state is voting. It's the vote of the people now."

This is another lie by omission, implying that everyone wanted this, and suggesting that the people who elected these representatives wanted it as well. He's not referring to an absolute headcount of every elected official; he means "many," which is a subjective statement.

The Supreme Court expanded the political divide between Democrats and Republicans on this issue, creating more harm than good. Where we are now is that Democrats want a minimum of abortion rights at around 15 weeks while maintaining the right to have abortions up to 9 months, and Republicans want a maximum of 15 weeks with a minimum of 0 months. Both sides are unwilling to compromise, which means nothing will happen no matter who is elected since it takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass a bill.

Trump was right in the sense that states can hold initiatives and referendums, allowing them to grant more abortion rights than they had under Roe v. Wade, even in blue states and deep red states, because abortion is highly popular and only requires a 50% vote from the people.

Polls show that abortion rights are popular (41% of Republicans support abortion), but late-term abortions, except for medical exceptions, are unpopular. (Most people think 2nd/3rd trimester abortions should be illegal)

Debate Transcript:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-t...=113560542