The great thing about Elon Musk is that he speaks the truth

[BritStudent]

It was pretty cool to see Musk’s “genius” dumpster-fire of a glaze sesh with Trump.

The question was about when Elon Musk lied, but the debate quickly turned into a Gish gallop, with Trump thrown into the mix.

All those false claims about Elon lying were debunked one by one.

Elon made optimistic projections, ambitious targets, or statements of intent rather than deliberate falsehoods.

Sorry, are you referring to our discussion? Not even close.

Again, this is a man who is legally bound not to make statements about his own company with prior approval of a lawyer because he lied about taking it private as a method of stock price manipulation.

Musk claimed in 2016 he had functional, ready to go, mass producable solar roof tiles in 2016. He did not, he was demonstrating dummy tiles. He lied. Mass prodoucation really only got under way in 2019.

Musk claimed that SolarCity was healthy financially when trying to get Tesla to take it over, that was a flat-out lie.

Sure, you could argue that his repeated, annual claims that full self driving is just months away, is simply awful judgement and optimistic projections, but surely you have to ask yourself, as a reasonable human being, when this man is making money off these false claims, and with the risk of looking foolish repeatedly, year after year making false promises, on the balance of probabilities is he really just a hopeless moron who doesn't recognise he's made foolish false promises for ten years, or could he actually just be telling lies?

He also predicted, when it was profitable for him to do so, that Covid would be close to zero cases.

He claimed that he could fix the bots on Twitter in a day - yet having been given the opportunity and with the financial incentive to let people bot, the bots are worse than ever.

Again, as I said in my original comment, at best he could be described as a chronicly, uncontrollable hype man, more accurately he'd be described as inherently untruthful.


But describing him as just 'unfortunately optimistic' is crazy.