(05-10-2024, 01:31 PM)Ares Wrote:(05-09-2024, 03:35 PM)sanantone Wrote: This doesn't matter for federal civilian jobs; I can't speak for DoD jobs. HR specialists will look at the degree name and courses. [...] To be honest, this shouldn't have been pinned because it's making people freak out for no reason. I've had four jobs with the federal government, several more job offers, many interviews, and many more referrals.
You cannot make such a sweeping generalized claim based on your anecdotal experience. So you have checked the job requirements and have gone through the application process for all 2.8 million U.S. federal jobs? I don't think so.
Just the fact that TESU is misleading with it's degree titles vs. their corresponding CIP codes is alarming in of itself and that alone deserves for this to be pinned. Once this is more well known it could be used by any employer do disqualify a candidate based on them lacking relevant qualifications.
Where is the evidence for the original claim? I've put in over 500 job applications in many different fields. I've been referred for scientist, law enforcement, emergency management, security, human resources, social services, legal, analyst, cybersecurity, and tax positions. You need to meet the education and/or experience requirement to get a referral. The vast majority of federal jobs don't even have a positive education requirement. That is not an anecdote; that can be verified via the OPM website where they list the requirements for each grade level. With the exception of a few fields, education is usually a substitute for lack of experience.
Has anyone else here had four different jobs in the federal government. How many of you have even interviewed for several jobs with the federal government? I just see assumptions. CIP codes are mainly for statistical purposes, not hiring.
OPM makes it clear that 24 credit hours in a subject plus a bachelor's degree in a different subject is equivalent to having a bachelor's degree in the required subject. OPM is the authority for federal hiring.
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversigh...-policies/
Where specific course requirements are not indicated in paragraph A, the number of semester hours required to constitute a major field of study is the amount specified by the college or university attended. If this number cannot be obtained, 24 semester hours will be considered as equivalent to a major field of study. The nature and quality of this required course work must have been such that it would serve as a prerequisite for more advanced study in the field or subject-matter area. Related course work generally refers to courses that may be accepted as part of the program major.
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversigh...-Standards
Graduate of Not VUL or ENEB
MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc