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As I said in my first response, the future is now old man. Your information is old, just like your experience. You don't know what you don't know. One school that makes exceptions for various criteria is all it takes. Take a look at admissions five years ago and the data on clinical hours required to get in vs. today. Did you know that over 60% of T20 med school matriculants had ZERO paid clinical hours the last cycle? More than 60% haven't even stuck a needle in someone's arm. How many schools do you think ten years ago were letting black kids in because of their story and allowing them to skip prerequisites? Things are different. You can get in on an MCAT score and a great interview alone at some places. You can get in on the color of your skin and an MCAT alone at some places. You can get in having great writing and political experience with a party the school likes at some places. And... you can get in with online prerequisites at plenty of places. Have a story they will front page? In. Have experience with medical patents*, and the school thinks you have a 1/100 shot at getting them the bag? In. Everything is all about the angles now.
Literally, stop being such a noob lol. Do some reading outside of your bubble.
Read the links I gave you. There is nothing admirable about an uninformed person shouting about how right they are when they don't know what they are talking about.
Here, read this: "Undergrad GPA: 3.35 Master's GPA: 3.57 MCAT 1: 504 MCAT 2: 502"
READ the stats on how many people over 520 get in with a sub-3.0 GPA. Actually, read the data. None of what you say has any credibility because "that's how it was back in my day when I started 200 years ago".
You don't have any data to back up your position because the data all supports my position. You are out here claiming they want you to have in-person prerequisites (And some do, but dozens don't) when 50 med schools don't even require labs anymore. LMAO. Just read the AAMC data. I can argue with you all day, but you could just go look up the MSAR data and see for yourself.
No one is claiming you can use Sophia BIO for your prereqs. But you can definitely do them online after COVID.
Edit: Read that link. Seriously. Illuminate yourself. Guess what they did to get in? Applied to an unranked non-top 100 school. Pretty simple. at least 50 plus schools would take someone with a great MCAT and online prereqs. There are probably 100 that would take someone with online prereqs, a great MCAT score, and a good story. People need to apply to the schools that accept their type of situation. And the data is available so you can tailor your applications to those schools. Thank goodness that person didn't listen to some out-of-touch guy online talking about how you are "competing against the best of the best." Guess what? A doctor is still a doctor. The guy from Yale has the same license to practice as someone who graduates from an unranked school.
Edit2: Not to mention, your whole point is moot. You can game the system. You can take online prereqs at extension schools like https://ea.asu.edu/courses/, which is reported just the same on your transcript. Literally, the same course code on the back end that goes to the clearing house. Okay, bud, that's enough data vs. your bad opinions that are outdated. If you have anything legitimate to add, try to use something other than "back in my day 15 years ago." to justify it.
Edit3: Don't misconstrue acceptance criteria with matriculation data. Look at matriculation rates. Look at MSAR data.
Edit4: I don't even know why I got baited into providing so much detail. Prereqs aren't even required to be finished until matriculation. Out of touch.
Edit5: Rank 2 med school accepts online prereqs. But again, a doctor is a doctor and plenty of unranked schools will have less requirements than even this.
Edit6: For future readers looking for information, here is a interesting thread on schools with high percentages of non trad matriculants.
Edit7: Thread on UNE online classes being accepted by schools for prereqs.
(09-26-2023, 01:04 PM)Duneranger Wrote: Med schools have sub 5% acceptance rates with some of the best and the brightest applying who almost all went to traditional 4 year school with STEM degrees. The vast majority took their core science courses in person with high-stress cut courses/exams/practicals. Not a CBE/Sophia check the gen ed sort of box.
Some of the things you said were true but the methodology/conclusion is flawed
As I said in my first response, the future is now old man. Your information is old, just like your experience. You don't know what you don't know. One school that makes exceptions for various criteria is all it takes. Take a look at admissions five years ago and the data on clinical hours required to get in vs. today. Did you know that over 60% of T20 med school matriculants had ZERO paid clinical hours the last cycle? More than 60% haven't even stuck a needle in someone's arm. How many schools do you think ten years ago were letting black kids in because of their story and allowing them to skip prerequisites? Things are different. You can get in on an MCAT score and a great interview alone at some places. You can get in on the color of your skin and an MCAT alone at some places. You can get in having great writing and political experience with a party the school likes at some places. And... you can get in with online prerequisites at plenty of places. Have a story they will front page? In. Have experience with medical patents*, and the school thinks you have a 1/100 shot at getting them the bag? In. Everything is all about the angles now.
Literally, stop being such a noob lol. Do some reading outside of your bubble.
Read the links I gave you. There is nothing admirable about an uninformed person shouting about how right they are when they don't know what they are talking about.
Here, read this: "Undergrad GPA: 3.35 Master's GPA: 3.57 MCAT 1: 504 MCAT 2: 502"
READ the stats on how many people over 520 get in with a sub-3.0 GPA. Actually, read the data. None of what you say has any credibility because "that's how it was back in my day when I started 200 years ago".
You don't have any data to back up your position because the data all supports my position. You are out here claiming they want you to have in-person prerequisites (And some do, but dozens don't) when 50 med schools don't even require labs anymore. LMAO. Just read the AAMC data. I can argue with you all day, but you could just go look up the MSAR data and see for yourself.
No one is claiming you can use Sophia BIO for your prereqs. But you can definitely do them online after COVID.
Edit: Read that link. Seriously. Illuminate yourself. Guess what they did to get in? Applied to an unranked non-top 100 school. Pretty simple. at least 50 plus schools would take someone with a great MCAT and online prereqs. There are probably 100 that would take someone with online prereqs, a great MCAT score, and a good story. People need to apply to the schools that accept their type of situation. And the data is available so you can tailor your applications to those schools. Thank goodness that person didn't listen to some out-of-touch guy online talking about how you are "competing against the best of the best." Guess what? A doctor is still a doctor. The guy from Yale has the same license to practice as someone who graduates from an unranked school.
Edit2: Not to mention, your whole point is moot. You can game the system. You can take online prereqs at extension schools like https://ea.asu.edu/courses/, which is reported just the same on your transcript. Literally, the same course code on the back end that goes to the clearing house. Okay, bud, that's enough data vs. your bad opinions that are outdated. If you have anything legitimate to add, try to use something other than "back in my day 15 years ago." to justify it.
Edit3: Don't misconstrue acceptance criteria with matriculation data. Look at matriculation rates. Look at MSAR data.
Edit4: I don't even know why I got baited into providing so much detail. Prereqs aren't even required to be finished until matriculation. Out of touch.
Edit5: Rank 2 med school accepts online prereqs. But again, a doctor is a doctor and plenty of unranked schools will have less requirements than even this.
Edit6: For future readers looking for information, here is a interesting thread on schools with high percentages of non trad matriculants.
Edit7: Thread on UNE online classes being accepted by schools for prereqs.
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