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DBA Degree from UCAM by Westford
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(08-23-2023, 01:17 AM)Kab Wrote:
(08-22-2023, 01:06 PM)doyouhowdo1 Wrote: I agree everything you have said. But is acutally illegal to call myself a Doctor even after I done the DBA with UCAM? The reason why I'm asking even tho you said so is because I just got a replied from the Westford that after you finish the DBA with them, you can call yourself a doctor. I'm now going to send emails to the university and see what they say. I will get you posted.

Each country has their rules of what you can call yourself and not. I cannot say what you can be called or not because I do not know where you want to go or where you are.
I just tell you that there is a law of who can call themselves doctor in Spain. In Spain is the people that finish a regulated studies of PhD. This from the legal perspective. Practically in the country outside of academic circles nobody (or nearly nobody) call themselves doctor even if you have the degree. Can happen .... but not usual. People define themselves by their relationship to others and sometimes for the working position. Even people that studied medicine sometimes call themselves doctors, doctor as a profession not academic degree, even without a PhD an most of the time there is no problem. I've seen sometimes some comments and jokes... or asking the title of the thesis. Nothing else other some humbling comment very sparingly from somebody that has a PhD and wants to mark territory. Another thing is if you start to write DR. in front of your name. Then you are in murky territory.
Usually the law require that in the territory where the degree was given it has official standing to reciprocate. Again each country is different. An I would say that is different to say I made a DBA in XXXX uni or I have a DBA than I am Doctor YYYYY. They sound similar, but are different. I you can get a way to have the degree recognized as valid where you spend your time, then is great.
Why you don't ask them if you can make a formal PhD?
In the documents you passed, in concrete in https://ibb.co/4g80XCG , it clearly say "secretaria de títulos propios" under the name of the university.
My guess is that the "titulo propio" will be more flexible to do and with the timelines, support and structure and the Academic will be very rigid and probably the first year of classes will be in Spanish.

I say it again. The study itself appears to be the same as the academic one in structure and everything, the university is perfectly good. Subjectively, the only problem from an USA perspective can be in agency that has to evaluated it back home. If the evaluating agencies evaluate the studies as per content should perfectly fine since the quality appears to be there. Does not appear to pay to get a degree. To me appears as if you pass, you earned. If they evaluate the bureaucratic structure you can run into problems.  Still if you do not have any PhD I would go for an academic one if you already have an academic master degree.
As far as I know to study (an only study) you do not need to have your studies officially evaluated by the Spanish government. The university can do their own evaluation (at least as far as I know). Be aware that academic PhD can be a lot of work... and drain hours like mad.

Understand. It bascially mean that at least in Spain, it is illegal to call myself a doctor but in other country, it will depends on their policy. My plan to do this DBA is only because if I work hard it can finish the whole Master + DBA in 2 years. Then I will look for a better job. Later on in life, hopefully I can get into a ALL BUT DISSERATION PHD degree online by using this DBA.

Everything will be taught in English and required me to write around 40000 to 50000 words for my thesis. The company Westford is a UAE company and I'm going to study with them fully online.

UCAM still haven't provide me a update yet. All they do is forwarding my email to others.  Still waiting for my answer from them.

(08-23-2023, 01:36 AM)bjcheung77 Wrote:
doyouhowdo1 Wrote:I come from Hong Kong, but have multiple citizenship. So I can move around if I wants. Which is why I'm not worrying about immigration, getting a government jobs etc. All I need is a Doctorate degree to get a better job if I choose to move to NZ/AUZ or UK.

Hmm, reminds me, I previously loved listening to music from Grasshopper, Four Heavenly Kings, Twins, etc (Music era in the 1990s). Haven't listened to Asian music in a long time... I also visited HK at least 15 times since 2003/2004 right after SARS, as it's my gateway to Asia when I travel.  

Anyways, you aren't going for academic, government, positions that may require additional education, etc, so... I don't get what the issue is?  Your main goal is similar to mine, getting the learning/knowledge gaps.  A title isn't worth the paper it's on, I would just finish this DBA, have it evaluated by NARIC (AUZ, NZ, or UK, doesn't matter which one).

In brief, for the academic evaluation... If it's favorable, great, if not, let it be...

You are right, I don't have much issue. It was a issue when I look around in the forum as people say that unoffical degree isn't really good etc. Then I start worrying.  I even decline the MBA top up degree from University of Plymouth because of this DBA. I might do this but I still have a chance to give this up as well because I haven't pay for the DBA's fees yet.
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DBA Degree from UCAM by Westford - by doyouhowdo1 - 08-22-2023, 02:34 AM
RE: DBA Degree from UCAM by Westford - by Kab - 08-22-2023, 05:17 AM
RE: DBA Degree from UCAM by Westford - by Kab - 08-23-2023, 01:17 AM
RE: DBA Degree from UCAM by Westford - by doyouhowdo1 - 08-23-2023, 11:20 AM
RE: DBA Degree from UCAM by Westford - by Kab - 08-24-2023, 03:09 PM
RE: DBA Degree from UCAM by Westford - by Kab - 08-24-2023, 04:45 PM
RE: DBA Degree from UCAM by Westford - by openair - 08-25-2023, 04:25 AM
RE: DBA Degree from UCAM by Westford - by MrPanda - 09-03-2023, 03:10 AM

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