03-22-2021, 06:31 PM
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ESC does not accept many ACE credits. They are limited on ACE providers. They even have limits on CLEP.
That experiential credit and portfolio review is a BOATLOAD of work. My husband did 2 courses as a PLA years ago with them. It's MUCH easier and far LESS work to take their classes and complete them. You also need to document everything job related in the PLA which means getting a supervisor involved sometimes which is NOT easy. ESC was not designed to be an alt credit program like the Big 3.
The Excelsior Grant does NOT over full tuition even though the governor claims it does. There's also a boatload of fees and it pays none of them. You also must remain a resident of the state for so many years after receiving the grant or you have to pay it back. Very few people have actually received the grant. There was an article last year that said only 9,000 students had actually received the grant out of tens of thousands who were supposedly eligible.
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1) Yes, the Excelsior scholarship has actually covered the cost of TUITION for ELIGIBLE FULL time students that meet the eligibility requirements (some of which are being NYS RESIDENTs, meet the familial income cap, are in full time status, apply when first matriculated, and then continue to successfully complete 15 cr per term, Fall and Spring/30 credits each year to maintain the satisfactory progress requirement.)
https://www.hesc.ny.gov/pay-for-college/financial-aid/types-of-financial-aid/nys-grants-scholarships-awards/the-excelsior-scholarship.html
2) I don’t know what the article said you are referring to, but maybe people did not apply, or they didn’t progress with success and complete the 30 credits annually as required (at which point it converts to a zero interest loan, still not a bad deal!)
3) I also never said the Excelsior Scholarship covered any of the fees. (I noted it would be even cheaper if one qualified for the tuition scholarship though, as all they would have additional to pay for were the fees as the tuition would be covered.)
4) Actually, SUNY ESC was created to offer students a flexible degree completion option.
One that did not need to be completed through attending a traditional campus or F2F class and which allowed for other avenues to earn credits and a degree.
“Founded in 1971 to break the mold of higher education.Still leading the way.-
SUNY Empire was established in 1971 by the SUNY Board of Trustees and then-chancellor and future United States Commissioner of Education Ernest L. Boyer as a pioneering statewide SUNY institution focused on educating students at any stage of life or learning, with faculty mentors working closely with students to design individualized degree programs.
Today, the college continues its commitment to flexible, accessible education with more than 110 online degrees and certificates and locations in every region of the state and seven international sites so SUNY Empire students can pursue their education around the demands of a busy life -- whether online, face-to-face, or a blend of both.Empire State College fulfills its mission by providing learning opportunities designed to accommodate students with family, work, and community responsibilities. At the core of the learning-teaching environment, individualized study and the creation of an individual degree plan is supported by a faculty mentor to whom each student is assigned. Empire State College students can take advantage of multiple modes of study including guided independent studies, study groups, intensive residencies, online courses, and blended-learning experiences. *The college also was one of the first institutions in the United States to develop a program of prior learning assessment, whereby students may earn college credit through assessment of prior learning from their work and life experiences.
The college offers flexible programs, including distance education, *extensive transfers of credits from other universities, *prior-learning assessment for knowledge gained through independent studies, *standardized evaluations, and the opportunity to design one's own degree with an academic advisor or mentor.”
5) Nobody is saying one has to do a PLA, but it is another option they offer for one to earn credit!
6) SUNY ESC accepts many CLEP and ACE courses (and one can check them out as I included a link in the prior post for reference - plus they might still consider additional ones too if one asks them to. Students can always request a school to consider other courses and credits than what they may have noted on their webpage.)
I didn’t come here to argue!
Maybe SUNY ESC won’t be the best option for everyone, and maybe not everyone will qualify for the Excelsior Scholarship; But Suny ESC is one additional pathway that somebody can possibly consider, especially if they are residents of NYS!
As too might be the Excelsior Scholarship if one qualifies and applies for it!
But if one only needs to finish up a degree, ESC is similar in residency requirements (31 cr) to some of those listed with 30 credits, and is in the ballpark per credit as some of the others, especially if one is planning on completing via full time enrollment.
Life is good as we are all still alive and breathing!
????☮️
Enjoy your evening!
PS-
I also didn’t mean to misrepresent CUNY as the same as SUNY. I compared it more to the community colleges outside of NYC. You’re correct that they are totally separate entities (unlike the community colleges which are partially SUNY, as well as county administered) - but both CUNY and SUNY (and community colleges) make up the university system of NY, which is what I should have said to be clearer, explicit and accurate.
(03-22-2021, 01:28 PM)miah Wrote: There is another college that could be added to this list. SUNY Empire State College is similar to the Big 3 in its acceptance of the maximum credits it allows in for transfer as well as alternative credits, such as via CLEP, ACE, etc, experiential credits, portfolio reviews, etc.
(03-22-2021, 01:28 PM)miah Wrote: There is another college that could be added to this list. SUNY Empire State College is similar to the Big 3 in its acceptance of the maximum credits it allows in for transfer as well as alternative credits, such as via CLEP, ACE, etc, experiential credits, portfolio reviews, etc.
Plus being SUNY it has that additional recognition as well.
And, if a student qualifies for the instate free tuition grant/scholarship, they could save even more money by attending SUNY ESC!
ESC does not accept many ACE credits. They are limited on ACE providers. They even have limits on CLEP.
That experiential credit and portfolio review is a BOATLOAD of work. My husband did 2 courses as a PLA years ago with them. It's MUCH easier and far LESS work to take their classes and complete them. You also need to document everything job related in the PLA which means getting a supervisor involved sometimes which is NOT easy. ESC was not designed to be an alt credit program like the Big 3.
The Excelsior Grant does NOT over full tuition even though the governor claims it does. There's also a boatload of fees and it pays none of them. You also must remain a resident of the state for so many years after receiving the grant or you have to pay it back. Very few people have actually received the grant. There was an article last year that said only 9,000 students had actually received the grant out of tens of thousands who were supposedly eligible.
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1) Yes, the Excelsior scholarship has actually covered the cost of TUITION for ELIGIBLE FULL time students that meet the eligibility requirements (some of which are being NYS RESIDENTs, meet the familial income cap, are in full time status, apply when first matriculated, and then continue to successfully complete 15 cr per term, Fall and Spring/30 credits each year to maintain the satisfactory progress requirement.)
https://www.hesc.ny.gov/pay-for-college/financial-aid/types-of-financial-aid/nys-grants-scholarships-awards/the-excelsior-scholarship.html
2) I don’t know what the article said you are referring to, but maybe people did not apply, or they didn’t progress with success and complete the 30 credits annually as required (at which point it converts to a zero interest loan, still not a bad deal!)
3) I also never said the Excelsior Scholarship covered any of the fees. (I noted it would be even cheaper if one qualified for the tuition scholarship though, as all they would have additional to pay for were the fees as the tuition would be covered.)
4) Actually, SUNY ESC was created to offer students a flexible degree completion option.
One that did not need to be completed through attending a traditional campus or F2F class and which allowed for other avenues to earn credits and a degree.
“Founded in 1971 to break the mold of higher education.Still leading the way.-
SUNY Empire was established in 1971 by the SUNY Board of Trustees and then-chancellor and future United States Commissioner of Education Ernest L. Boyer as a pioneering statewide SUNY institution focused on educating students at any stage of life or learning, with faculty mentors working closely with students to design individualized degree programs.
Today, the college continues its commitment to flexible, accessible education with more than 110 online degrees and certificates and locations in every region of the state and seven international sites so SUNY Empire students can pursue their education around the demands of a busy life -- whether online, face-to-face, or a blend of both.Empire State College fulfills its mission by providing learning opportunities designed to accommodate students with family, work, and community responsibilities. At the core of the learning-teaching environment, individualized study and the creation of an individual degree plan is supported by a faculty mentor to whom each student is assigned. Empire State College students can take advantage of multiple modes of study including guided independent studies, study groups, intensive residencies, online courses, and blended-learning experiences. *The college also was one of the first institutions in the United States to develop a program of prior learning assessment, whereby students may earn college credit through assessment of prior learning from their work and life experiences.
The college offers flexible programs, including distance education, *extensive transfers of credits from other universities, *prior-learning assessment for knowledge gained through independent studies, *standardized evaluations, and the opportunity to design one's own degree with an academic advisor or mentor.”
5) Nobody is saying one has to do a PLA, but it is another option they offer for one to earn credit!
6) SUNY ESC accepts many CLEP and ACE courses (and one can check them out as I included a link in the prior post for reference - plus they might still consider additional ones too if one asks them to. Students can always request a school to consider other courses and credits than what they may have noted on their webpage.)
I didn’t come here to argue!
Maybe SUNY ESC won’t be the best option for everyone, and maybe not everyone will qualify for the Excelsior Scholarship; But Suny ESC is one additional pathway that somebody can possibly consider, especially if they are residents of NYS!
As too might be the Excelsior Scholarship if one qualifies and applies for it!
But if one only needs to finish up a degree, ESC is similar in residency requirements (31 cr) to some of those listed with 30 credits, and is in the ballpark per credit as some of the others, especially if one is planning on completing via full time enrollment.
Life is good as we are all still alive and breathing!
????☮️
Enjoy your evening!
PS-
I also didn’t mean to misrepresent CUNY as the same as SUNY. I compared it more to the community colleges outside of NYC. You’re correct that they are totally separate entities (unlike the community colleges which are partially SUNY, as well as county administered) - but both CUNY and SUNY (and community colleges) make up the university system of NY, which is what I should have said to be clearer, explicit and accurate.
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