Diploma Mills

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One of the main reasons why community colleges have low graduation rates is because many of their degree-seeking students have no intention of earning an associate's degree. They just want the transfer credits. Also, a lot of the students need remedial courses, and they drop out because remediation requirements can add a year or more to someone's program. Honestly, most of the students at open admissions schools will never be able to complete college-level coursework.

I'm not sure if "most" is correct.  I know so many kids who spend 2 years at our inexpensive CC's because 1) they don't qualify for financial aid, 2) don't know what they want to do, and 3) our CSU-system schools are notoriously terrible at GE's because they are all overcrowded and you can't get the courses you need to even get to the point of declaring a major (it can take FOUR YEARS to get all your GE's completed at some schools, but they are paying for FT enrollment and then taking courses they don't need!).

Also, our CC's offer ADN's and our CSU/UC's don't, so just about every nurse in CA came out of a CC (at least to start, before they go on to a BSN).  We also have tons of certificates, especially in the medical field, that can only be gotten in a CC.

I would guess that it varies by state.  But many of our 113 CC's are not only rigorous (I've had MANY great teachers at CC's and terrible ones at the CSU I went to), but many are enormous, have satellite campuses on/near high schools, offer dual enrollment, teach classes on high school campuses, and all kinds of other things that our CSU's just don't.

Of course, my CC has 30,000 students annually, yet they still only admit 30 students a year into the nursing program...sigh...

The "most" is supported by the low graduation rates at community colleges. Even if you account for people who will eventually earn a bachelor's degree within eight years, most community college students will never graduate with any degree. The estimated graduation rate, if you count those who eventually earn a 4-year degree without having earning an associates, is around 40%. There are other factors to take into account, such as personal problems, but the biggest issue is that most CC students need remediation. 

I see you, Sapientes. I know you don't like hard facts; you only like anecdotes that appeal to your emotions. I'm posting these facts for people who live in the real world. 

According to Michigan’s Detroit Free Press, experts estimate that about 20% of students at four-year colleges and universities across the nation need remedial coursework of some kind. But at community colleges, “it has been estimated that 60% of first-time students need at least one remedial course.”

https://www.communitycollegereview.com/b...coursework

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Here are some FACTS specific to California community colleges. Not assertions. Not opinions. Not guesses, but FACTS.

A shocking 70% of California’s community college students fail to graduate or transfer. Learn about the catalysts of the failure and how campuses are trying to turn these dire statistics around.

In addition, only 40% of community college students achieved sufficient credit hours in school to boost their potential in the workforce.

https://www.communitycollegereview.com/b...dents-fail