04-28-2013, 11:06 PM
cookderosa Wrote:Sanatone is right, you are attempting something different than what is allowed (double major) and two degrees must be in sequence, not simultaneous. Also, yes, all your graded credit still exists (when you apply to grad school they will still want your old transcripts from everywhere) but your TESC GPA will be fresh, using only credit earned at TESC. So, only TESC courses will + your GPA from what it is now, which is 0.00
Finally, I don't have your transcripts, but I'm completely convinced (for now anyway) that you are not closer to the Natural Science degree than Liberal Arts. Here's why- you need upper level credit! Your sciences will probably come in as lower level. This isn't always true (Linda here had orgo 1 and 2 come in as upper level, others as lower, and there is a reason but I've never figured it out). Upper level credit in the sciences is expensive and not easily test-out-able. There are a few, but not enough. Liberal Arts upper levels are completely test-out-able.
So, this is totally hypothetical, bear with me. Let's assume you're finished with all gen eds (60) and free electives (27). What remains is the 33 upper level credit.
Let's assume you transfer in 12 upper level science credits.
What remains?
Natural Science degree: 21 (6 can be lower) = 15 UL sciences (good luck finding tests, be sure to post them here because I only know of 3. Classes are tricky to get into and cost $$$ plus take time)
Liberal Arts degree: 21 (6 can be lower) = 15 UL social sciences or humanities. (psychology, history, govt., etc., all easily available via cheap and quick testing with the option of courses if you want)
I have no interest in which degree you're going for, I think business would likely be the best fit, but take a bit of time to really run "if-then" scenarios. It's not what TESC will give you credit for, it's how you're planning on finishing what is outstanding that requires planning.
I forgot the rules, but if you want to double major, don't both of the majors have to come out of the same department? That would mean he couldn't major in business and natural science at the same time. I think he could do this with the BS or BA LDAS though. It wouldnt' be double majoring, but he could specialize in two areas. COSC also has the Interdisciplinary Studies degree program in which you can mix applied and liberal arts courses.
Jabberwocky Wrote:I don't want you to take what I'm saying as arguing. I just want to make sure I'm understanding this properly because I thought I had it figured out. I obviously know there is no way to be 100% certain other than to have the college tell me everything directly, but here is what I am taking from previous posts here on the forum.
For sciences, I have completed Physics + lab, organic + lab, chemistry + lab, and biology + lab, stats, algebra, pre-calc, and calc. In addition I have done genetics, microbiology, environmental chemistry & toxicology (one course) and cell biology + lab. I was looking at TESC and they allow for computer science to count as part of the natural science, so I was looking at adding the Management Information Systems DSST (in fact, that was what one of the degree plans on the wiki used). By doing that, I have completed a total of 16 UL hours, assuming that the ones I mentioned are UL courses (the microbiology course on the wiki shows as UL if done as an ECE and I can do that if absolutely necessary). And at the very worst, I'd be willing to take the pathophysiology ECE instead which could replace one of the other courses I mentioned if the DON'T do UL credit.
EDIT: Here is the wiki link, it came from sanatone. Sanantone's BA in Natural Sciences and Mathematics - Degree Forum Wiki
Does that look like it makes sense? If I got it wrong then shoot, I'll move into the liberal arts instead! I just have a lot to chew here and want to make sure I'm not messing up with my action plan.
I plan on putting in my original post all of the courses I have taken but I cannot get into my school system right now (down for maintenance all weekend) to pull them up. I know you guys are shooting blind until then and the advice can only be so specific without all the information.
I used the PLA database to figure some of these things out, but they aren't guaranteed. MIS has been listed by TESC as a natural science. Some people have reported having the Networking TECEP counted as a natural science. Pathophysiology is listed in the PLA database as CLB-371. I don't know if they'll count that as a natural science. Microbiology is listed as BIO-351. There is not an exact match for the Basic Genetics ECE, but Genetics is listed as BIO-341. It's not unheard of for TESC to give UL credit for an introductory course. Like I said, there are some CBEs offered by Ohio University.
I have a slightly different opinion from the others here. You never know what's going to come up in life and you may not want to be stuck with a liberal studies degree. If it takes you a couple of more months and a few hundred more dollars to get the natural science or business degree, I think it's worth it.
Graduate of Not VUL or ENEB
MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc