02-20-2013, 01:57 AM
sanantone Wrote:The capstone issue is not even related. I actually think it is quite wrong for TESC to require this capstone in the middle of the academic year. These kinds of changes should only be done during catalog changes. It should be illegal for an institution, especially a public institution, to change degree programs in the middle of the academic year. Another issue is that TESC is now requiring this capstone before the capstone course is even available. It is beyond ridiculous. They are potentially holding people back who are ready to graduate.
The way I take it, you are discouraging people from taking the limited number of tests that are available to complete their degrees. Oftentimes, there aren't too many other options. Honestly, most people have not had to put up a huge fuss to get these tests transcribed as social sciences. Actually, it is quite common for Fundamentals of Counseling to be planned as COU and transcribed as PSY automatically when the test score comes in. I really don't see the posts you're talking about week after week. Here's to Your Health does not have the same beaten path as the social science DSSTs. I've even seen plenty of recent posts that said Here's to Your Health will not count as a natural science.
All that is required is a little disclaimer about verifying with advisement, but it should also come with a disclaimer that these tests and courses have been counted as social sciences for many. In that way, you aren't depriving people of valuable information. If you were the only person answering questions on this board, I would have not known about some of the possibilities. To say that AOJ is a human services area and not social science is inaccurate and will confuse people. You are basically giving a blanket statement that will make everyone believe that all AOJ courses are automatically counted as human services and never as social sciences. You did not say this specific exam is human services; you said AOJ is human services and not valid for social science.
It all goes back to the fact that the question was about a single exam, not about the category. I think you'd even agree that if coded as AOJ-101, then it doesn't fit. By definition AOJ is not a general ed course area since 100% of the courses don't fit, see the degree planning handbook at http://www.tesc.edu/documents/Degree_Pla..._12.09.pdf
That doesn't mean that some of the courses can't fit, it just means that areas outside of the list have either no courses that fit or that only some do. I see what you're saying, these courses are listed as Social Sciences and yet are AOJ courses:
Introduction to Criminal Justice (AOJ-102)
Forensic Science (AOJ-280)
White Collar Crime (AOJ-303)
Victimology and Criminal Behavior (AOJ-381)
Public Policy, Crime and Criminal Justice (AOJ-484)
The bottom line is that this was for AOJ-101. It doesn't sound like we will agree on the way we give advice, but I think that is the best part about this site, you get different viewpoints and experience that together form a lot of great advice for people still seeking their Big 3 degree. The best advice for anyone else reading this is to seek multiple viewpoints when trying to resolve an issue and always follow-up with your school too.
My completed "non-traditional" credits include 27 credits from CLEP, 30 credits from DSST, 6 credits from ALEKS, 19 credits from FEMA courses including PDS, 3 credits from NFA courses, 10 credits from ACE Workplace Training, 3 credits from a TESC TECEP exam, and 3 credits from a TESC PLA course.