ENEB Master Thread

[eLearner]

We're going to have to wait and see how things pan out because ENEB is still trying to figure things out, themselves. As my father used to say, that's bass ackwards. I would think that they had every detail figured out before even promoting the option but, apparently, they did not.   

Anyway, if you're American (or want to use your ENEB degrees in America) just do the traditional program. If the worst happens, you will be so, so SOL if you don't have actual grades or an actual transcript, and can't prove you did any work for the degrees because you can't produce your final projects. It's just not worth the risk.

They can write all the baloney they want, but your points are spot-on. This is like watching the Hindenburg go down in slow motion, smh. We know they read these threads, so I'm just going to say this:

ENEB: It is essential to note that the testing option is intended for individuals who may not require their degrees for further academic pursuits or certain occupations. 

Me: No ENEB. No. What's essential is that YOU must understand that giving people Masters degrees after completing a single 50 question exam is going to absolutely, positively, destroy your school's credibility and sink the image and credibility of every person who earned a degree through your program in the proper way:  by doing actual work, not by taking some single 50 question exam. Legitimate schools do NOT do this, only diploma mills do this. You're making an unbelievably ridiculous and foolish mistake.

ENEB: We understand that a significant number of our students are internationally based, and we are committed to considering the recognition and acceptance of our degrees across various regions.

No, you don't understand. You don't understand at all. Because if you did, YOU WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS. I'm just going to be blunt: the people telling you that this is a horrible idea understand the system a lot better than you do, to the point that it doesn't appear you understand it at all. People are telling you this because they know how this ends, they've seen it before, and they know what a diploma mill looks like. You're about to create one, and I understand you don't see it, but that's what you're doing. Listen to what the public is telling you, they're not saying these things to you just for the heck of it.

It's time to swallow your pride, listen to what the people are telling you, and DON'T DO THIS! Take this horrible idea, crumple it up, throw it in the trash where it belongs, set it on fire, walk away, and pretend you never put this out to the public, and never ever mention it again. That's the best thing you can do, because if you go through with this incredibly awful plan, you will be finished as a school in terms of credibility, and fast. The MCA deal you made was bad enough and never should've happened, but you won't survive this 50-question Masters debacle.

[soulblader]

Those who apply for the MCA cert

can I ask, how long you guys wait, before you all receive the cert, after you all submit the particular to ENEB?

and also the cert will it be softcopy or hardcopy?

[Vle045]

Those who apply for the MCA cert

can I ask, how long you guys wait, before you all receive the cert, after you all submit the particular to ENEB?

and also the cert will it be softcopy or hardcopy?

I doubt anyone here would get that. MCA is not accredited at all. It would be a waste of money.  It has no value.

[bjcheung77]

@soulblader, did you pay for the MCA?  If you haven't, don't do it, it's a waste like any of their add-ons.  If you have, try getting a refund for that, indicating you no longer need it to be USA certified and you would rather get it 'evaluated' instead.  Get your money back if you can, the MCA add-on has NO benefits at all.  I wouldn't even go for their Hague Apostille stamp either.  None of their add-ons do anything for learning or any extra value to their offerings...

Yes, it's a waste of cash getting anything more from ENEB.  I purchased their Groupon when they had a sale, I didn't use any evaluation as I was using them for learning gaps I may have had and wanted to fill those gaps just in case I wanted to do something in Big Data/BI Management later down the road.  ENEB has gone downhill after 'renewing' their MCA partnership, and now with the 50 question Masters, it's gone downhill further... I highly recommend not getting their extra addons at all.

[BadSquirrelBeta]

So letting this new ENEB/UI1 option sit, I still am so not a fan personally of the testing option. However, I do think there are some parallels with other university programs in the states where CLEP testing, other "lived experience" type credits are allowed, etc., however I have not looked heavily into comps with US schools and ENEB-type testing.

I was able for the Project Management degree to get two courses "Convalidada" with a prior professional certification I had rec'd (not a PMP). I probably could have gotten some other courses "convalidada" in other programs with other professional development and certifications I earned, but I didn't pursue because I, as I have shared before, enjoyed learning about these subjects. My husband, on the other hand, had a ton of certifications and programmatic experience that could yield college credit recognized by a number of Universities in the United States, which, he did turn his learning transcripts, certifications, proof of colleges willing to accept the courses/certifications for US college credit - Master's Level - and other supporting documents into ENEB. And, it took some back and forth correspondence with ENEB to get what we both were asking for.

Yet, not knowing what the testing looks like, and, the fact that my spouse and I have completed our studies with ENEB the "classic" way, before testing was an option, I am going to reserve judgement and wish those going this route best of luck...because at the end of the day my life doesn't run differently one way or the other with this option now being offered by ENEB. For all intents and purposes, I guess it's a lot like being "grandfathered" in, or when people make the designation of Pre-COVID or Post-COVID. Would I advise my kids or another young person I cared about to go this route and earn a Masters with a test option like this? No. But, where I am currently in my life and career it's not going to impact me, and it's not like I have a warm and fuzzy long-lasting desire to be one with my ENEB/UI1 alma mater.

I think I am still more put off with ENEB offering their American link to "accreditation" with MCA.

[michaeladsmith2]

I think some are missing "the trees, for the forest." 

While I absolutely disagree with this new initiative of getting a Master's degree by taking 50 questions, it is STILL the student's choice. I, for one, still have 4 Master's to go with ENEB. I will absolutely NOT be taking the "test for degree" option. I will do every assignment, take every quiz, and receive a letter grade for every Module. 

The reality is this. Every country, every employer, and every educational institution has its policy for validating credentials. Here in the US, we are not saying you can't test out of courses (CLEP, DANTES, etc.); however, nowhere can you test out and get a whole degree. So the ENEB "test for Master's" will NOT work here in the USA. You will need a thoroughly graded transcript showing course-by-course and GPA.

As with human behavior, I suspect someone in the USA will try this route and be sorely disappointed! As I've said before, don't take the shortcut. Do the work, write the Final Papers, and receive a letter grade and proper transcript.

[cacoleman1983]

This 50-question exam would be a good add-on requirement for future students to complete as a comprehensive exam like other universities do at the end of a program since course assessments besides the case study papers do not count. It would force students to read through the pdf materials and use those assessments as references or study guides for the comprehensive exam.

However, a 50-question exam for an entire degree has diploma mill written all over it. If I enroll next year in ENEB after finishing my ASU/Thunderbird graduate certificate, I will only list Universidad Isabel I on my profile. I suspect ENEB will be shutting down and blacklisted by evaluators regardless of their affiliation with Isabel if they keep this up.

[MatthiasB]

Sooo - I have written a few (40) subjects. Just an impression of how the correction times (calendar days) of each department were:

Management:
Mean: 13.5
Median: 13
Standard Deviation: 2.92

Accounting:
Mean: 6.2
Median: 7
Standard Deviation: 2.65

HR:
Mean: 12.6
Median: 14
Standard Deviation: 3.21

Operations:
Mean: 14.4
Median: 14
Standard Deviation: 4.92

Marketing:
Mean: 17.6
Median: 16
Standard Deviation: 6.86

Spanish:
15 days

Longest time took a Marketing-work: 28 (calendar-) days

In addition: Every now and then you need support because some grades are not transferred: From really fast and friendly to tedious and not very helpful, everything is there.

The first PDF certificate arrived 62 days after confirmation of details. 

Somewhere here in the forum there was a list of the time required for the respective project work.... In my opinion, they differ somewhat depending on previous knowledge, but the framework is good. 

Let's see how it goes from here.

[NorthStar]

I was almost ready to pull the trigger on a program from ENEB (even DM'd some on the more senior members of this thread for assistance) but this 50 question 2 hour exam for 60 ECTS has me spooked.  

I wrote to ENEB about this and expressed my concerns about how millish behaviour on their part could lead to reputational damage for graduates. I can easily see many resume's being trashed if it's reputation as an institution that cuts corners, gets around to recruiters.  

This is their response to me:

"I understand what you are saying and I appreciate the honesty, but let me tell you that the reputation of our institution is impeccable and the fact of speeding up the exam modality and/or class attendance for students has to do with an intention to contribute to excellence academic coupling to a professional life that our students must inevitably have (otherwise they cannot enrol).

Our programs are for professional, dedicated people who we understand are looking for a step forward in their professional development oriented to the business world.

We understand that in these times it is difficult to trust institutions whose policy is to provide training at an affordable price, but (you can see it on our website) at this moment we have a current promotion, otherwise the program you requested, for example, it is above 7 thousand euros".

So basically behind a veiled threat to hike program fees this decision has been taken to enable a greater work/life balance for students.  Duh???  If someone enrolls at an institution they should make sure they can manage their day to day lives whilst being a student and plan accordingly.  If they unfortunately don't have the time to devote to a degree, they shouldn't enrol in one. Many, many people are in that situation. People have to make choices and prioritise and this means that not everything they would like to do, can be done. It's sad but that's life!

[sparkling]

I don’t know why I keep having issues with the foreign credential evaluators.

I paid for a course by course official evaluation (with the extra cost of $50.00 for the verification) with IEE, but after chatting with customer support for clarification about the documents, they changed my evaluation to a provisional one. Customer chat said it wouldn’t be different than an official evaluation with exception to how the documents are received and noted, but they included an additional note on the evaluation that I’m not happy with, and I’m not sure the jobs I’m applying for will accept now. (“This report is based on scanned academic documents at the request of the student and is provisional in nature. Receiving institutions should require the student to submit official documents to IEE for reevaluation as soon as circumstances allow.”) This statement makes it appear that I didn’t include the official electronic documents that I received from ENEB/Isabel.

IEE evaluated my Masters degree as regionally accredited and a US equivalency of a “Graduate Certificate.” BUT they also shaved my per class credits to 2.50 instead of what they gave Thodeptrai of 2.75 and later upgraded his to 3.0 per class.

What is going on? I don’t know how I can get them to rectify these issues (official vs provisional evaluation and increasing per class credits). I’ve sent a couple of emails to the admin department that sent me the evaluation, (I'm afraid of chatting with customer support again since they're the ones who told me there wasn't any difference between the evaluations (except for how they receive the documents), and that ended up being untrue), but admin hasn’t responded.

If anyone has advise or suggestions, I’m open to reading them.

Update--the bad and good.

The Bad: I heard back from IEE from someone in the document verification department. He basically told me that even though I paid for the official evaluation with the extra charge of $50.00 for the verification fee, he said that doesn't guarantee that they will provide applicants with an official evaluation. Say what?  

He also said that I'd have to pay them an additional $50.00 for them to update my evaluation to 'official.' (And with ENEB now charging to send an email of the transcripts to third parties, that's almost an additional $100.00).

I showed proof of conversations with the chat support where she specifically told me that I would be able to upload the original PDF documents that Isabel/ENEB sent me for an official evaluation. I also asked him why if applicants aren't allowed to have official evaluations with the verification fee, then why when ordering does their system allow applicants the ability to choose between three different options. https://i.imgur.com/asGvWlf.jpg

I also asked why I received lower credits per class, when other students from ENEB/Isabel are receiving higher credits per class, especially considering there are more classes in certain degrees etc.

After I sent that response, I haven't heard back.

The Good: I used the Validential FCE that I received to apply to a few government jobs. I was a bit hesitant, because some agencies will only accept NACES members, others will accept both NACES and AICE, while others give a general statement of using a "foreign credential evaluation company" as sufficient. I was informed it all depends on the agency. Anyway, I learned that the Validential evaluation is accepted by at least one of the agencies I applied to because they sent me an email stating my name was submitted to the hiring manager for consideration.