ENEB Master Thread

[ashkir]

I didn't need any revisions. Validential did it right the first time for me.

[IHatePickingUsernames]

Is ENEB going to note on the transcript that the degree was earned under the new scheme? My concern is for those of us in the USA, where our degrees aren't fully recognized by FCEs yet. What value our degrees do have will be totally lost because of this, if ENEB doesn't make it clear that the people who choose this new (temporary?) option will have a notation on their transcripts that they didn't complete the traditional program.

If I'm off-base, let me know. I hope I am off-base. A two-hour multiple choice exam of 50 questions screams "diploma mill" to me. I am not okay with this. ENEB should either 1) offer the test per course; or 2) pause admissions until they're no longer overloaded; or 3) raise the price of the degrees to slow down enrollment. 

But, employing degree mill tactics is not the answer. When word gets out about this, all of our degrees will lose value and come under additional scrutiny. We need to band together to let ENEB know this is a bad idea. Because, dollars to donuts, if this "scheme" is successful it's not going to be temporary. ENEB is greedy, and always trying to squeeze more money out of students for an optional this or that. I'm okay with that because their "extras" haven't affected the quality of my degrees. But, I fear that this new thing they're trying to do will negatively affect the quality/reputation of all their degrees.

ENEB is going to have to come up with some way to make it plain that this new option doesn't have the same respect and weight as the traditional/classic option. Otherwise, all the work and sweat that went into us completing the traditional/classic degrees will mean nothing, because they won't be distinguishable from the new ones. I am so pissed right now. 

I appreciate your post and find it thought-provoking. In the past, some members of this forum have focused on finishing their degrees as quickly as possible. My father was inspired by one such member and was able to complete his degree with support and encouragement from the forum. After that, he learned of other members who had completed their master's degrees in just one term and was again motivated to do the same. He finished his first master's degree in one term and his second in one month due to credit overlap.

My story is similar in that I was also inspired by early stories of members completing their degrees in record time. I believed if they could do it, I could. Although my story has been shared on this forum, I won't recount it now. The critical thing to remember is that even if some people finish their degrees quickly, and others take years to do the same, the degree is still respected per its RA/NA/evaluation by all who earned it, regardless of how long it took. 

Regarding your comment on the exam structure, I share your sentiment. However, I choose to be happy for those who can successfully improve their situations.

I completed both of my degrees in a total of 6 months. But, I still wrote 17 final project papers! I'm not against completing the degrees quickly, but taking a two hour multiple choice test for an entire degree is not quick; it's almost instantaneous! There's no comparison.

[cacoleman1983]

I think this $99 deal for an ENEB Masters based on a 50 question exam is not a good move.  However,  I believe that Universidad Isabel I will not certify this program.   If they do,  it would certainly damage their reputation.    I’m trying to finish the free ASU Thunderbird School of Global Management graduate certificate before starting ENEB but the MCA validation and the degree based on one exam makes them look like a degree mill that will cause them to lose a lot of credibility.

[KSoul]

Is ENEB going to note on the transcript that the degree was earned under the new scheme? My concern is for those of us in the USA, where our degrees aren't fully recognized by FCEs yet. What value our degrees do have will be totally lost because of this, if ENEB doesn't make it clear that the people who choose this new (temporary?) option will have a notation on their transcripts that they didn't complete the traditional program.

If I'm off-base, let me know. I hope I am off-base. A two-hour multiple choice exam of 50 questions screams "diploma mill" to me. I am not okay with this. ENEB should either 1) offer the test per course; or 2) pause admissions until they're no longer overloaded; or 3) raise the price of the degrees to slow down enrollment. 

But, employing degree mill tactics is not the answer. When word gets out about this, all of our degrees will lose value and come under additional scrutiny. We need to band together to let ENEB know this is a bad idea. Because, dollars to donuts, if this "scheme" is successful it's not going to be temporary. ENEB is greedy, and always trying to squeeze more money out of students for an optional this or that. I'm okay with that because their "extras" haven't affected the quality of my degrees. But, I fear that this new thing they're trying to do will negatively affect the quality/reputation of all their degrees.

ENEB is going to have to come up with some way to make it plain that this new option doesn't have the same respect and weight as the traditional/classic option. Otherwise, all the work and sweat that went into us completing the traditional/classic degrees will mean nothing, because they won't be distinguishable from the new ones. I am so pissed right now. 

I appreciate your post and find it thought-provoking. In the past, some members of this forum have focused on finishing their degrees as quickly as possible. My father was inspired by one such member and was able to complete his degree with support and encouragement from the forum. After that, he learned of other members who had completed their master's degrees in just one term and was again motivated to do the same. He finished his first master's degree in one term and his second in one month due to credit overlap.

My story is similar in that I was also inspired by early stories of members completing their degrees in record time. I believed if they could do it, I could. Although my story has been shared on this forum, I won't recount it now. The critical thing to remember is that even if some people finish their degrees quickly, and others take years to do the same, the degree is still respected per its RA/NA/evaluation by all who earned it, regardless of how long it took. 

Regarding your comment on the exam structure, I share your sentiment. However, I choose to be happy for those who can successfully improve their situations.

I completed both of my degrees in a total of 6 months. But, I still wrote 17 final project papers! I'm not against completing the degrees quickly, but taking a two hour multiple choice test for an entire degree is not quick; it's almost instantaneous! There's no comparison.

The concision on this post and using the word instantaneous for how wild the option is cracked me.

[Jakob]

Where can I find that information on their Website?

[michaeladsmith2]

IMHO, this is a good idea for ENEB, relative to increased student involvement/completion and countries that accept a degree by "testing out." I would not recommend this option to USA students. Because we have credit transfer, evaluations, and specific colleges/universities that are particular about "lettered" grades, a 50-question test for an MBA or Master's would not work when trying the different validation schemes in the US Education System. Secondly, some schools will look at this and ask for writing examples or verification of real academic work towards the degree conferral. If all you have is a 50-question test, that will end any process you're trying to achieve.

Do the work! Write the papers! Take the Quizzes. Get a grade and an official transcript!

[jackthehuman]

So I enrolled on 08/06 for the Spanish version on eneb.es and have not received this strange test-out email but am really puzzled by what I'm reading. The coursework is A LOT of work, the materials in Spanish are good but not great. It is basically the equivalent of being given a textbook and told to read it and learn by oneself. The videos and related materials are interesting but DO NOT address the "textbook" directly.

In comparison to the Master's degrees I'm doing with TECH, it is night and day. Each TECH MA is 10 modules, and each module is 8-10 classes, and there is a pre-test and a quiz after EACH class. So we're talking about 10-15 questions per class, and 100-150 per module, and 1000-1500 per master's degree. I honestly have no idea how a 50-question exam can qualify someone to have even a Propio Master's degree.

Although the TECH degrees I am taking have RVOE and required an official / apostilled / translated / relevant B.A. (or related experience, which they made me submit thrice!), they also offer "Propio Degrees" that follow the same format.

At the end of the day, what matters is the marketability and learning from these degrees. If the ENEB degrees become diploma mill degrees, it seems that TECH is better. And in terms of learning, the TECH coursework is much better. The classes are 10-20 page textbook like essays, with related academic articles / books, with related videos and related SCORM modules.

For the roughly equivalent cost, I have no idea why anyone would choose ENEB, in particular if you are able to get a Master's with RVOE from TECH. (Note that the RVOE Master's only come in Spanish, and have more stringent admission requirements)

[MrPanda]

So I enrolled on 08/06 for the Spanish version on eneb.es and have not received this strange test-out email but am really puzzled by what I'm reading. The coursework is A LOT of work, the materials in Spanish are good but not great. It is basically the equivalent of being given a textbook and told to read it and learn by oneself. The videos and related materials are interesting but DO NOT address the "textbook" directly.

In comparison to the Master's degrees I'm doing with TECH, it is night and day. Each TECH MA is 10 modules, and each module is 8-10 classes, and there is a pre-test and a quiz after EACH class. So we're talking about 10-15 questions per class, and 100-150 per module, and 1000-1500 per master's degree. I honestly have no idea how a 50-question exam can qualify someone to have even a Propio Master's degree.

Although the TECH degrees I am taking have RVOE and required an official / apostilled / translated / relevant B.A. (or related experience, which they made me submit thrice!), they also offer "Propio Degrees" that follow the same format.

At the end of the day, what matters is the marketability and learning from these degrees. If the ENEB degrees become diploma mill degrees, it seems that TECH is better. And in terms of learning, the TECH coursework is much better. The classes are 10-20 page textbook like essays, with related academic articles / books, with related videos and related SCORM modules.

For the roughly equivalent cost, I have no idea why anyone would choose ENEB, in particular if you are able to get a Master's with RVOE from TECH. (Note that the RVOE Master's only come in Spanish, and have more stringent admission requirements)

I agree with you, except with:

"For the roughly equivalent cost, I have no idea why anyone would choose ENEB, in particular if you are able to get a Master's with RVOE from TECH."<- Because the cost is not similar, TECH is much more expensive. We are comparing USD$ 100-200 vs USD$ 3,000 - 4,000.

[jackthehuman]

So I enrolled on 08/06 for the Spanish version on eneb.es and have not received this strange test-out email but am really puzzled by what I'm reading. The coursework is A LOT of work, the materials in Spanish are good but not great. It is basically the equivalent of being given a textbook and told to read it and learn by oneself. The videos and related materials are interesting but DO NOT address the "textbook" directly.

In comparison to the Master's degrees I'm doing with TECH, it is night and day. Each TECH MA is 10 modules, and each module is 8-10 classes, and there is a pre-test and a quiz after EACH class. So we're talking about 10-15 questions per class, and 100-150 per module, and 1000-1500 per master's degree. I honestly have no idea how a 50-question exam can qualify someone to have even a Propio Master's degree.

Although the TECH degrees I am taking have RVOE and required an official / apostilled / translated / relevant B.A. (or related experience, which they made me submit thrice!), they also offer "Propio Degrees" that follow the same format.

At the end of the day, what matters is the marketability and learning from these degrees. If the ENEB degrees become diploma mill degrees, it seems that TECH is better. And in terms of learning, the TECH coursework is much better. The classes are 10-20 page textbook like essays, with related academic articles / books, with related videos and related SCORM modules.

For the roughly equivalent cost, I have no idea why anyone would choose ENEB, in particular if you are able to get a Master's with RVOE from TECH. (Note that the RVOE Master's only come in Spanish, and have more stringent admission requirements)

I agree with you, except with:

"For the roughly equivalent cost, I have no idea why anyone would choose ENEB, in particular if you are able to get a Master's with RVOE from TECH."<- Because the cost is not similar, TECH is much more expensive. We are comparing USD$ 100-200 vs USD$ 3,000 - 4,000.

You are right, but TECH has a similar model to ENEB, where the list price is is high and they offer extreme discounts.

On the website if you choose a South American country the enrollment the popup converts to roughly $895.00 but by chatting with them on Whatsapp I was able to get a lower price. Still not as low as what ENEB has offered on Groupon, that's true. And it did require haggling via Whatapp, which is still foreign to me, although similar to how ENEB communicates

Anyway, I hope that this change at ENEB doesn't have an impact on people working on the papers and we can at least get our degrees validated as graduate credit / certificate / diploma. Because, if I spent $240 to enroll in ENEB and 400 hours writing 20 papers for something that is evaluated as a diploma mill degree... I would be annoyed to say the least.

[sanantone]

Unlike ENEB, TECH doesn't have to rely on another school for recognition. I don't think Mexico would let them get away with offering one-test degrees. However, TECH's programs only have RVOE when taught in Spanish.