ENEB Master Thread

[eLearner]

When we study for an official university, we rewarded by designation like BA, MA.

As far as I know, ENEB does not grant designation.  I don't think we can put it in our name after we completed ENEB.

Because it does not grant the designation, I put them on my CV as Master's Certificate on .... by...  No problem so far.

That's way off. In the United States for instance, the MBA is neither designated as an Arts or Sciences degree and that doesn't make it a Master's certificate.

If a person wants an Arts or Sciences designation in this example (not that it even matters to be honest), they'll have to get a Master of Science in Business Administration which interestingly enough is not looked at as prestigious as the MBA despite the degrees being essentially identical in scope and purpose. There are many other examples of degrees that don't carry Arts and Sciences designation in the U.S. (Master of Professional Studies is another, various Doctorates and so on) but the main thing that has to be understood is that those Arts and Sciences designations are just not used in many parts of the world and Spain is one of them. You're applying American education customs to the Spanish system and downgrading your own credential, not in a purposeful way to be dishonest at least, but still.

Designations/post-nominals are built into all degrees however, and Arts and Sciences aren't the only ones that exist. For example, if you finished ENEB's Master in Project Management, you have an MPM. If you finished Georgetown University's Master of Professional Studies, you have an MPS. Now, will these designations be well-known to the average person? No, but the average person doesn't know a lot of things, that doesn't make them any less legitimate.

Thank you for your responses. I am not saying in US terms but in Anglo-Saxons perspective. For example, in my country, it is illegal to use post-nominal that are not legally granted by the university itself. You said you have MPM. But does the university said so? 

Because in many territories (including my country), the usage of post-nominal is regulated. For example, in the UK you can only write what the university is legally to do so. https://www.lboro.ac.uk/students/graduat...l-letters/ 
More here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_degree

I don't have an MPM. That was just an example of how the letters can work with any degree. I'm not sure of the legality of every country in this situation, so I'm glad you mentioned that because that is something people do need to check into before they use any credential.

[ss20ts]

In the US there is an MPM. It's a Masters in Project Management. It's a legit master's degree. An example of one MPM program:

https://www.wcu.edu/learn/programs/proje...index.aspx

[Flelm]

Let's stir the pot again!   

I've reviewed (briefly) 4 or 5 of the final project assignments at this point. I personally do not feel that the effort required for these degrees rises anywhere close to the level of a traditional B&M MBA in the US, or even a course-based online MBA. I believe the workload is closer to a competency-based MBA (based on this reddit thread of what a WGU MBA looks like), with the exception that there are no proctored tests at all, only papers, so there exists a larger possibility of academic fraud.

This degree is probably worth less than the effort most will put into it. I think that most students will put in the effort that it's roughly equivalent to a competency-based MBA, and some, of course, will go above and beyond. However, I also think that the possibility of fraud is too high, further diluting the degree from it's already-shaky Groupon google rankings, and combined with the difficulties of explaining a Spanish postgrad degree on my CV, I will treat this as a learning experience, and possibly an opportunity to gain transfer credit for a US-based MBA program. I will not be including it on my resume, even if I don't go to a US-based MBA program.

These opinions are mine own, and are subject to change.

[eLearner]

Please don't get upset, just my opinion too (well more fact than opinion): To be fair, papers can easily be--and are often--cheated on no matter what school you go with be it online or off, so that possibility just goes with the territory of education and isn't a problem inherent to ENEB at all. So if anything, the possibility of fraud is equal to every other school.

Schools use detection software to prevent a good deal of plagiarism, but even if you went to Harvard nothing would stop you from paying someone to write your papers, and people have done it, probably a lot more than we know of.

Honestly, if I thought so low of something, I wouldn't even bother taking it at all.

[Flelm]

You took 2 paragraphs to address only one of my 3 reasons (and arguably my least strong, throwaway reason) why I don't think this degree is worth a lot in the US marketplace, and ignored the other two. Again, I will say that this does not seem (to me) comparable to a traditional B&M MBA, but seems (to me) essentially equivalent to a WGU or Walden style competency MBA in format and effort. I am perfectly fine putting in that effort for the price and hopefully using it as transfer credit towards a US MBA, as I said in my post. I do not "think low" of it, but I believe anyone that does a cursory google search would, and I wouldn't want to deal with that.

I don't get why you're defending this so hard. It's like you view anything negative said about the ENEB programs as a personal attack. If you think it's great for you, wonderful. But I definitely get where innen_oda is coming from at this point.

[rachel83az]

Before the advent of photo school IDs, it wasn't completely unheard of to pay someone to sit in on your exams for you. Even today, it's not completely unheard of for this to happen.

Honestly, I kind of feel like there is LESS chance of someone faking their way through ENEB than through somewhere like Harvard or Yale. When you go to a big-name school, there's a lot of pressure to graduate. Someone (you or your parents) have sunk a lot of money into you going to that school. Failure is not an option, so you find someone to write your paper or somehow to sit your exam for you.

With ENEB, why would you pay more to have someone write your papers for you than you paid for the degree in the first place? Doesn't make sense. If you could afford to cheat, you probably wouldn't be very interested in a titulo propio.

[Flelm]

I can't quote on mobile, so this is in response to rachel.

I can't think of a way to reply that doesnt come across as extremely bigoted, so I'll just say it. This degree is marketed globally. I agree with you on US-based students and their motivations, but I have had bad experiences with students of other nationalities in the past. Anecdotal isn't evidence but it's where my mind was at the time I wrote that.

EDIT: And again, red herring. Fine, let's assuming cheating is equal across all degree programs. The level of effort invested here would be better served at Walden or WGU, except for the cost, which is significantly different. I had no problem using my money to buy the ENEB courses without running it past my wife, but I wouldn't do that with one of those schools because it's literally an order of magnitude higher.
 
I have no skin in this game. I bought the course, I could walk away and not be financially hurt. I still don't think I would list the completed programs on my resume for all the reasons I listed previously.

[Cofffeee]

So u r trying to state that non US students are more prone to cheat?

[rachel83az]

So u r trying to state that non US students are more prone to cheat?

Due to social pressure, students in Asia are well-known for doing ANYTHING to pass. But, again, I really don't see someone under that much pressure to do well and to do well in a "good school" to be interested at all in a titulo propio. Someone with that mindset is going to be focused on a school with a global name, not trying to cheat their way through the Spanish equivalent of what might be considered graduate-level community college.

[eLearner]

You took 2 paragraphs to address only one of my 3 reasons (and arguably my least strong, throwaway reason) why I don't think this degree is worth a lot in the US marketplace, and ignored the other two. Again, I will say that this does not seem (to me) comparable to a traditional B&M MBA, but seems (to me) essentially equivalent to a WGU or Walden style competency MBA in format and effort. I am perfectly fine putting in that effort for the price and hopefully using it as transfer credit towards a US MBA, as I said in my post. I do not "think low" of it, but I believe anyone that does a cursory google search would, and I wouldn't want to deal with that.

I don't get why you're defending this so hard. It's like you view anything negative said about the ENEB programs as a personal attack. If you think it's great for you, wonderful. But I definitely get where innen_oda is coming from at this point.

I pretty much called that you would be upset beforehand because you seem to be taking disagreements personally. If you remove the emotion you're giving it, I'm just speaking factually so there is no reason to take it as an attack or personalize it to me defending ENEB, this is about the schools and the facts, that's all, and if you look back you will find me having said a number of negatives about the program but they were accurate, and when I said something that was questionable someone has addressed me and often, that's what we do here. It wouldn't have mattered if you had said the same thing about Goucher or Bottega, my reply would've been the same as it should be. I didn't address everything else you said because most of that is entirely opinion/personal feeling-based or based on something I can't see since I'm not enrolled there. But let's be honest, if I had addressed it that would've upset you, too.

If you "see where innen_oda is coming from" with his constant trolling and inaccuracies that span multiple boards and have been proven wrong time and time again, then that doesn't help your position at all.

Lastly, I'm not taking the program so it's neither great or not great for me, but you are taking it and posting about it, so expect it to be commented on. This is an open forum about education, so expect replies and disagreements, I get them all the time, I don't wig out about it, that's what this place is for. If we allowed bad info to go unaddressed, that would do a disservice to everyone including passersby.