Efficient Associate degree plan from scratch

[ctcarl]

It isn't age discrimination, it is a program that is specifically designed to get adults a degree from their mass of credits. It wasn't designed to get a child a step up.

You beat me to it.

The BOG AAS is an amazing opportunity for adult learners, but it isn't intended for high school-aged students.  A traditional West Virginia CC Associates degree program costs $30,000 or so.  Any college that handed out degrees to everyone for free would be out of business in very short order.

[BrianFallon]

Pierpont is very clear on what it is and what it is not. It is a program that helps adult students with credit get an Associates. Nothing more; nothing less.

As to it being “free,” we help them and they help us. Why? Every “free” Associates they award helps their graduation stats and we get a credential.

It is what it is.

While I hope your son is successful, I confess I do not understand the degree to which parents here are invested in and practically try to earn the degree for their minor children.

What are your son’s ideas on a degree? It sounds like gaming is his forte, but “we” are not wedded to a major.

Does he want this quick associates or do you? It seems like you are trying to make your path his path as well. Is this the same son who was 13 and procrastinating on a Sophia course?

Maybe I’m wrong, but if his forte is gaming - let him do the research and plan the degree and then help him to evaluate his options.

The decision should be his (unless you want him still at home at age 30) because the work, the learning, and the accomplishment will be his.


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[TINASAM]

True Story-
My mother planned my degree, chose my college, and mapped out years of my life with very little say from me. I was 17 and I couldn't afford to do it on my own so I went along with it. Dropped out on academic probation because I hate the school and hated the coursework. It was NOTHING that I wanted for myself.
Fast forward 34 years and I am on the Dean's List at a school that works for me and with a degree plan that I adore. Within two years I'll have three degrees and will be considering Master's degrees.

Help when asked, but please let it be your kid's decisions.

[dfrecore]

Snow College has a competency-based online A.S. degree, you can get a scholarship to make it the cost of in-state ($1,743 for a 4-month term), so you could actually have him do 1 or 2 terms, and get all 60cr needed for an AS, they'd all be RA credits which would make it much easier to transfer into a school for a bachelor's degree somewhere (as opposed to having a bunch of ACE/NCCRS credit which will be harder to manage). Most schools do not take an AA/AS degree as a full block transfer - meaning they do not just bring it in and say "this AA = the first 60cr of our bachelor's degree." Instead, they look course by course, so you'd have to choose a school that accepted ACE/NCCRS credit.

https://online.snow.edu/

[rachel83az]

True Story-
My mother planned my degree, chose my college, and mapped out years of my life with very little say from me. I was 17 and I couldn't afford to do it on my own so I went along with it. Dropped out on academic probation because I hate the school and hated the coursework. It was NOTHING that I wanted for myself.
Fast forward 34 years and I am on the Dean's List at a school that works for me and with a degree plan that I adore. Within two years I'll have three degrees and will be considering Master's degrees.

Help when asked, but please let it be your kid's decisions.

I agree that there is such a thing as too much help, yes. But, on the other hand, I was one of those kids left to my own devices. I was told that I could get whatever degree I wanted from the local schools that would be covered by the FAFSA (we couldn't exactly afford to send me away for college and I had no interest in going heavily into student loan debt). 

I didn't know what questions to ask. It was assumed that I could figure out everything myself, including what major I wanted. So I wasn't asked if I needed help. Even if I had been, I was the kind of kid who would've said that I didn't need any help. Spoiler alert: I didn't know then and I'm still not 100% convinced now that this is THE degree(s) I want. 

In hindsight, I probably would've been better off career-wise if someone had sat me down and told me that a bachelor's degree was my choice but here's a relatively simple plan for an Associate's degree and I needed to follow it. I honestly probably would've complained a bit, because I was also that kind of kid, but I think I would probably at least have gotten the Associate's.  

There is definitely no one-size-fits-all solution that will work for everyone, but I do think that there are plenty of kids who definitely need a kick in the pants + a little help when it comes to obtaining a degree.

[cwendy111]

Pierpont is very clear on what it is and what it is not. It is a program that helps adult students with credit get an Associates. Nothing more; nothing less.

As to it being “free,” we help them and they help us. Why? Every “free” Associates they award helps their graduation stats and we get a credential.

It is what it is.

While I hope your son is successful, I confess I do not understand the degree to which parents here are invested in and practically try to earn the degree for their minor children.

What are your son’s ideas on a degree? It sounds like gaming is his forte, but “we” are not wedded to a major.

Does he want this quick associates or do you? It seems like you are trying to make your path his path as well. Is this the same son who was 13 and procrastinating on a Sophia course?

Maybe I’m wrong, but if his forte is gaming - let him do the research and plan the degree and then help him to evaluate his options.

The decision should be his (unless you want him still at home at age 30) because the work, the learning, and the accomplishment will be his.


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Wow. What I didn't ask for is a psychological exam from a stranger. Shame your mommy didn't love you enough to guide you as a child and you now see fit to take it out on others. I sure didn't ask any of you for parenting advice.

Age discrimination is a real thing and whether you agree or not, limiting opportunities strictly based on age is exactly that. There certainly is nothing wrong with a person trying to take advantage of systems in place. That is literally the point of this entire forum. This one doesn't work for us, so we move on.

He has no idea about dual enrollment, accelerated credits like the majority of the population. As his parent, it is my job to impart knowledge that I have that can give him an advantage in this world. He is full in on spending less time doing something he can do more efficiently and cheaper. Our educational system is designed to create drones, not dreamers. You sound jealous.

What 13 year old knows what they want to do as an adult? Most adults don't even know. In trying to find coursework for cheap that he may be interested in while maximizing his degree path, I am exposing him to different things so he can figure it out. We work together to figure out his path. Hence, my questions and uncertainty. He can always get a Liberal studies degree. I don't care.

He did finish that course btw and is working on the next one. Why would I allow a 13 yr old to plan a college degree when the purpose of this forum is for adults who can't do that very same thing. Genius. Like Wanting the best for your child is a bad thing. If it were up to me, he'd be an RN like me for the opportunities, flexibility and salary. But that's not what he wants, so NO this isn't MY degree. It's HIS.

Lastly, you and your unwelcome and entitled opinion about me and my family can 'eff (changed so I don't get deleted, I personally love a good cuss word) all the way off.


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True Story-
My mother planned my degree, chose my college, and mapped out years of my life with very little say from me. I was 17 and I couldn't afford to do it on my own so I went along with it. Dropped out on academic probation because I hate the school and hated the coursework. It was NOTHING that I wanted for myself.
Fast forward 34 years and I am on the Dean's List at a school that works for me and with a degree plan that I adore. Within two years I'll have three degrees and will be considering Master's degrees.

Help when asked, but please let it be your kid's decisions.

I don't know where you people come off with this sense of entitlement that you can pass judgment on things you know nothing about. You don't know me or my family. I didn't ask for parenting lessons, I asked for degree planning advice which is what this forum is for. If you don't have it, keep scrolling and myob.


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True Story-
My mother planned my degree, chose my college, and mapped out years of my life with very little say from me. I was 17 and I couldn't afford to do it on my own so I went along with it. Dropped out on academic probation because I hate the school and hated the coursework. It was NOTHING that I wanted for myself.
Fast forward 34 years and I am on the Dean's List at a school that works for me and with a degree plan that I adore. Within two years I'll have three degrees and will be considering Master's degrees.

Help when asked, but please let it be your kid's decisions.

I agree that there is such a thing as too much help, yes. But, on the other hand, I was one of those kids left to my own devices. I was told that I could get whatever degree I wanted from the local schools that would be covered by the FAFSA (we couldn't exactly afford to send me away for college and I had no interest in going heavily into student loan debt). 

I didn't know what questions to ask. It was assumed that I could figure out everything myself, including what major I wanted. So I wasn't asked if I needed help. Even if I had been, I was the kind of kid who would've said that I didn't need any help. Spoiler alert: I didn't know then and I'm still not 100% convinced now that this is THE degree(s) I want. 

In hindsight, I probably would've been better off career-wise if someone had sat me down and told me that a bachelor's degree was my choice but here's a relatively simple plan for an Associate's degree and I needed to follow it. I honestly probably would've complained a bit, because I was also that kind of kid, but I think I would probably at least have gotten the Associate's.  

There is definitely no one-size-fits-all solution that will work for everyone, but I do think that there are plenty of kids who definitely need a kick in the pants + a little help when it comes to obtaining a degree.

Thank you. We are literally in a forum full of ADULTS seeking advice with degree planning, but I should let my 13 yr old kid figure this all out alone or I'm enabling him to be useless somehow? Like, REALLY?!?! The hypocrisy is stunning and confusing. I truly can't believe the audacity.


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[rachel83az]

Thank you. We are literally in a forum full of ADULTS seeking advice with degree planning, but I should let my 13 yr old kid figure this all out alone or I'm enabling him to be useless somehow? Like, REALLY?!?! The hypocrisy is stunning and confusing. I truly can't believe the audacity.


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There are people here who ask for help for their 16-20 year old kids. So... I can kind of see where some people might be coming from. At that age, you're supposed to be old enough to come here yourself and ask directly. On the other hand, I had no freaking clue what I wanted at 13, 16, 20, etc. Until 2020, my plan was to get an ENGLISH degree, not one in Computer Science. I still feel drawn to such a degree. I'm still half considering, if possible, UMPI after TESU for English & History. I have varied tastes.

[cwendy111]

Snow College has a competency-based online A.S. degree, you can get a scholarship to make it the cost of in-state ($1,743 for a 4-month term), so you could actually have him do 1 or 2 terms, and get all 60cr needed for an AS, they'd all be RA credits which would make it much easier to transfer into a school for a bachelor's degree somewhere (as opposed to having a bunch of ACE/NCCRS credit which will be harder to manage). Most schools do not take an AA/AS degree as a full block transfer - meaning they do not just bring it in and say "this AA = the first 60cr of our bachelor's degree." Instead, they look course by course, so you'd have to choose a school that accepted ACE/NCCRS credit.

https://online.snow.edu/

Thank you! A competency based model? I will def check them out. As a WGU grad x 2, I am a big fan of the competency based model. After all the remote online learning he has done since COVID, he is also. We are going slowly. 1 course at a time. I don't want him to end up with a mass of loose credits like I did, so I'm trying to plan it out better and mix it up with courses of interest, hence the XAMK find for his gaming interest. I like RA credits as they tend to have more guided study for topics not yet learned. The general studies courses will also count for HS credit if we ever change our minds and go back to traditional HS. My path was a crazy mess. Trying not to repeat that same mistake.


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[BrianFallon]

Pierpont is very clear on what it is and what it is not. It is a program that helps adult students with credit get an Associates. Nothing more; nothing less.

As to it being “free,” we help them and they help us. Why? Every “free” Associates they award helps their graduation stats and we get a credential.

It is what it is.

While I hope your son is successful, I confess I do not understand the degree to which parents here are invested in and practically try to earn the degree for their minor children.

What are your son’s ideas on a degree? It sounds like gaming is his forte, but “we” are not wedded to a major.

Does he want this quick associates or do you? It seems like you are trying to make your path his path as well. Is this the same son who was 13 and procrastinating on a Sophia course?

Maybe I’m wrong, but if his forte is gaming - let him do the research and plan the degree and then help him to evaluate his options.

The decision should be his (unless you want him still at home at age 30) because the work, the learning, and the accomplishment will be his.


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Wow. What I didn't ask for is a psychological exam from a stranger. Shame your mommy didn't love you enough to guide you as a child and you now see fit to take it out on others. I sure didn't ask any of you for parenting advice.

Age discrimination is a real thing and whether you agree or not, limiting opportunities strictly based on age is exactly that. There certainly is nothing wrong with a person trying to take advantage of systems in place. That is literally the point of this entire forum. This one doesn't work for us, so we move on.

He has no idea about dual enrollment, accelerated credits like the majority of the population. As his parent, it is my job to impart knowledge that I have that can give him an advantage in this world. He is full in on spending less time doing something he can do more efficiently and cheaper. Our educational system is designed to create drones, not dreamers. You sound jealous.

What 13 year old knows what they want to do as an adult? Most adults don't even know. In trying to find coursework for cheap that he may be interested in while maximizing his degree path, I am exposing him to different things so he can figure it out. We work together to figure out his path. Hence, my questions and uncertainty. He can always get a Liberal studies degree. I don't care.

He did finish that course btw and is working on the next one. Why would I allow a 13 yr old to plan a college degree when the purpose of this forum is for adults who can't do that very same thing. Genius. Like Wanting the best for your child is a bad thing. If it were up to me, he'd be an RN like me for the opportunities, flexibility and salary. But that's not what he wants, so NO this isn't MY degree. It's HIS.

Lastly, you and your unwelcome and entitled opinion about me and my family can fuck all the way off.


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True Story-
My mother planned my degree, chose my college, and mapped out years of my life with very little say from me. I was 17 and I couldn't afford to do it on my own so I went along with it. Dropped out on academic probation because I hate the school and hated the coursework. It was NOTHING that I wanted for myself.
Fast forward 34 years and I am on the Dean's List at a school that works for me and with a degree plan that I adore. Within two years I'll have three degrees and will be considering Master's degrees.

Help when asked, but please let it be your kid's decisions.

I don't know where you people come off with this sense of entitlement that you can pass judgment on things you know nothing about. You don't know me or my family. I didn't ask for parenting lessons, I asked for degree planning advice which is what this forum is for. If you don't have it, keep scrolling and myob.


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True Story-
My mother planned my degree, chose my college, and mapped out years of my life with very little say from me. I was 17 and I couldn't afford to do it on my own so I went along with it. Dropped out on academic probation because I hate the school and hated the coursework. It was NOTHING that I wanted for myself.
Fast forward 34 years and I am on the Dean's List at a school that works for me and with a degree plan that I adore. Within two years I'll have three degrees and will be considering Master's degrees.

Help when asked, but please let it be your kid's decisions.

I agree that there is such a thing as too much help, yes. But, on the other hand, I was one of those kids left to my own devices. I was told that I could get whatever degree I wanted from the local schools that would be covered by the FAFSA (we couldn't exactly afford to send me away for college and I had no interest in going heavily into student loan debt). 

I didn't know what questions to ask. It was assumed that I could figure out everything myself, including what major I wanted. So I wasn't asked if I needed help. Even if I had been, I was the kind of kid who would've said that I didn't need any help. Spoiler alert: I didn't know then and I'm still not 100% convinced now that this is THE degree(s) I want. 

In hindsight, I probably would've been better off career-wise if someone had sat me down and told me that a bachelor's degree was my choice but here's a relatively simple plan for an Associate's degree and I needed to follow it. I honestly probably would've complained a bit, because I was also that kind of kid, but I think I would probably at least have gotten the Associate's.  

There is definitely no one-size-fits-all solution that will work for everyone, but I do think that there are plenty of kids who definitely need a kick in the pants + a little help when it comes to obtaining a degree.

Thank you. We are literally in a forum full of ADULTS seeking advice with degree planning, but I should let my 13 yr old kid figure this all out alone or I'm enabling him to be useless somehow? Like, REALLY?!?! The hypocrisy is stunning and confusing. I truly can't believe the audacity.


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Based on your use of language, your education seems have been wasted.

You are an RN? Sad.


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[rachel83az]

At Snow, they even have a demo login that you can use to see if you like the layout/functionality of the courses. You can see the syllabus and all of the course materials for what appears to be every course that they offer. They even have an online PE class if you want to force your kid to get up and away from the video games every so often.