ENEB Master Thread

[ReyMysterioso]

"They are offering the standard $5300 or so tuition reimbursement for the certificate, but I'm wondering if I could float the idea of this as a low cost alternative"

Are you crazy? Take the $5300 for a better credential!

[arad]

A German 3 year Bachelor is equivalent to a Canadian and American 4 year bachelor degree. I doubt ECE would consider a German 1 year Master as the Fourth year.
Main factor for their decision could be ENEB's admission criteria or because it's a titulo propio?

If the 60ECTS Masters is the FOURTH year, would ENEB's 120ECTS double Masters be 1 Master or Graduate Certificate according to ECE? Or would it be a "second" fourth year/ bachelor because its content is not on graduate level?

[freeloader]

A German 3 year Bachelor is equivalent to a Canadian and American 4 year bachelor degree. I doubt ECE would consider a German 1  year Master as the Fourth year.
Main factor for their decision could be ENEB's admission criteria or because it's a titulo propio?

If the 60ECTS Masters is the FOURTH year, would ENEB's 120ECTS double Masters be 1 Master or Graduate Certificate according to ECE? Or would it be a "second" fourth year/ bachelor because its content is not on graduate level?

Based on the response from ECE, I think a second ENEB degree LIKE THIS, meaning the “targeted” masters programs, it would certainly be considered as another bachelor’s degree, or at least equal to another year of study at the American 4th year undergrad level: “ECE considers all of the courses in the Master in Project Management to be equivalent to senior level coursework in a U.S. bachelor degree program.”

I would be curious if they would apply the same standard to an MBA from ENEB. ECE might well look different upon that degree if the usual and customary admissions standards in Spain for an MBA are greater than for a masters in Project Management, for instance. 

[arad]

A German 3 year Bachelor is equivalent to a Canadian and American 4 year bachelor degree. I doubt ECE would consider a German 1  year Master as the Fourth year.
Main factor for their decision could be ENEB's admission criteria or because it's a titulo propio?

If the 60ECTS Masters is the FOURTH year, would ENEB's 120ECTS double Masters be 1 Master or Graduate Certificate according to ECE? Or would it be a "second" fourth year/ bachelor because its content is not on graduate level?

Based on the response from ECE, I think a second ENEB degree LIKE THIS, meaning the “targeted” masters programs, it would certainly be considered as another bachelor’s degree, or at least equal to another year of study at the American 4th year undergrad level: “ECE considers all of the courses in the Master in Project Management to be equivalent to senior level coursework in a U.S. bachelor degree program.”

I would be curious if they would apply the same standard to an MBA from ENEB. ECE might well look different upon that degree if the usual and customary admissions standards in Spain for an MBA are greater than for a masters in Project Management, for instance. 

By "double Masters" I was referring to ENEB's MBA+ Masters option. I think it'll still be a fourth year level, since the admission standards for ENEB are considered lower, and the admission for their MBA or Masters isn't different. the MBA could become a BBA. 
ECE might evaluate a degree differently if it's official, rather than "propio".

[novadar]

I wondered about this too -- the nomenclature of the Masters tripping things up. As you point out the MBA would create a more consistent case.

[eLearner]

If the 60ECTS Masters is the FOURTH year, would ENEB's 120ECTS double Masters be 1 Master or Graduate Certificate according to ECE? Or would it be a "second" fourth year/ bachelor because its content is not on graduate level?

I may be misinterpreting something so I'm totally open to being corrected, but it's been my understanding that the "Masters +" programs are two separate degrees that happen to share common classes. If that is the case, then as far as ECE is concerned it would work out as two U.S. RA Bachelors degrees from an evaluation standpoint if they use the same criteria for both degrees.

[arad]

If the 60ECTS Masters is the FOURTH year, would ENEB's 120ECTS double Masters be 1 Master or Graduate Certificate according to ECE? Or would it be a "second" fourth year/ bachelor because its content is not on graduate level?

I may be misinterpreting something so I'm totally open to being corrected, but it's been my understanding that the "Masters +" programs are two separate degrees that happen to share common classes. If that is the case, then as far as ECE is concerned it would work out as two U.S. RA Bachelors degrees from an evaluation standpoint if they use the same criteria for both degrees.

when I read freeloader's quote (and Dee12's post again), I realized the MBA would likely be a second Bachelor as well.

As you mentioned, all masters share some classes with the MBA, so it's likely its courses will be equivalent to senior level only.

Still a great deal for a "double bachelor". 

[bjcheung77]

mohammad umeri ikram, I see you have quoted Stanislav who is a member of both boards... link: https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?thr...ost-532349 (BTW, that picture Kizmet posted is kinda scary, kids don't look!) On the sister forum, there are at least 4 or 5 threads when added, wouldn't even reach "half" the amount of posts in this one mega thread we're in!

Anyways, this other post on the sister forum shows a screenshot of Dee12's evaluation... link: https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?thr...ost-540672 and the post just right after by SteveFoerster reminded me that all evaluators will "look" at things differently. I mean, a well known HW MBA evaluated as an Associates or a level not yet up to snuff to a Bachelors.

Here's the post, coincidentally, it's the two most recommended foreign credential evaluation agencies that have opposing views, namely ECE and WES. In this thread, ECE thought HW's MBA was not up to par, but WES evaluated it as equivalent to an MBA in the US. I wonder if this ENEB would be evaluated similar but this time around, it'll be ECE evaluating it as a BS level and WES may just evaluate it as a Grad Diploma or less. Link: https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?thr...post-46153

[openair]

We already know that AICE members won't provide U.S. Master's degree equivalency for any titulos propios. I've showed this is in my earlier post. However, we don't know how many college credits might possibly be achieved upon an evaluation from any particular AICE member. AICE is significant, becouse it is the only real equivalent of NACES in the United States. Their members (acei-global.org, sdreducational.org) provide evaluation for TESU (example) and government jobs in the U.S.

As for NACES, we don't have any course evaluations either. We've had one very generic evaluation that did not recognize this as a Master's level qualification. However, it isn't clear how many credits might actually be recognized, even at the Bachelor's level. Merely stating that this is at the senior Bachelor's level doesn't cut it.

You can also find tons of state-recognized credential evaluation agencies (or agencies approved for foreign teacher credentialing) outside of NACES and AICE. None of them have the same level of impact though.

[msganti]

In my observation, the standards for evaluations for employment/immigration purposes are a bit lower compared to academic (also called course-by-course) evaluations, and this applies to many evaluators.
Next time, go for a course-by-course evaluation to see how those credits translate to US credits.