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"But ask yourself, is the ASU grad "part of the greater life of the University"? Does the Starbucks barista in Nebraska getting a degree from ASU take part in the student councils, the orchestra, the theater groups, the athletic teams?"
Does every in-person ASU grad take part in those activities? Having attended ASU for a brief time and knowing many others who have attended and graduated from there I can say that many people do not engage in those or other on campus extra curricular activities. Being on a sports team, being in a club, and being in student council are not requirements for getting a degree any more then getting plastered on Mill Ave or riding in a self driving Uber are(though Uber is no longer allowed to operate their self driving cars in AZ).
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(07-02-2018, 12:53 PM)Prloko Wrote: (07-01-2018, 12:53 AM)dfrecore Wrote: Actually, Harvard Extension School specifically tells people what they're allowed to write on their resume.
Sorry, but this is an asinine comment. A resume is just another marketing tool just like a television or print ad. You can represent your education and experience any which way you like so long as you don't LIE or try to misrepresent yourself. Harvard can tell people whatever they want, but they can't compel speech.
Here is a blurb STRAIGHT from the HES website: "Balancing life with the rigors of the Harvard classroom will be challenging. It’ll also be deeply rewarding. In the end, you will have earned a Harvard credential that you can hold with pride. "
https://www.extension.harvard.edu/about-us/why-hes
They seem to be a bit liberal in their discussion of this as a HARVARD CREDENTIAL themselves in their marketing material. Seems a bit hypocritical for them to sell it as such, then tell people they can't say they went to Harvard.
My comment wasn't asinine, as it was the truth. You may think that Harvard is asinine for making this rule, but please don't say that I'm asinine what I said.
Also, them saying Harvard is the truth - they are not saying Harvard University, but they are shortening the name, which is allowed. They aren't required to say Harvard Extension School in everything they write on the website. And it does say Harvard Extension School at the top of the page, so they're not trying to trick anyone into thinking it's a Harvard University degree.
I'm not sure why you're so upset by this. It's just not that big of a deal. If you go to HES, you know you're not going to Harvard University (the tuition alone would alert you to this, plus the lack of a competitive admissions process). You know what you're getting. So just put the correct name on your resume and you're fine. Harvard Extension School. Done.
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(07-02-2018, 01:22 PM)dfrecore Wrote: If you go to HES, you know you're not going to Harvard University (the tuition alone would alert you to this, plus the lack of a competitive admissions process). You know what you're getting. So just put the correct name on your resume and you're fine. Harvard Extension School. Done.
It's one of the 12 degree-granting schools in Harvard University. The correct name isn't even HES, its Harvard Division of Continuing Education. The resume requirements and the degree in "extension studies" is a transparent attempt to protect the prestige of the core schools.
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Why shouldn’t they protect the prestige of their competitive schools?
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(07-03-2018, 10:51 AM)jsd Wrote: Why shouldn’t they protect the prestige of their competitive schools?
Harvard's brand is unquestionably the most valuable in education. They should do everything they can to protect it. A degree from any of their schools should signal that the graduate completed one of the most rigorous academic programs available. Harvard Extension School advertises their degrees as such, but then the universities turn around and treat the graduates as second-tier graduates. There's honestly no way to accomplish this short of spinning off HES from underneath the Harvard umbrella or just not offering HES degrees at all. HES could accomplish its goal of extending education to the working class through certificate programs instead of full-on degrees.
I'll be glad to finish my MLA in Finance through HES, but I'm not sure how tenable the situation at HES is. HES's expansion of online offerings and its growing popularity overseas will soon bring the problem to a head.
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Are HES allowed to join the Harvard Alumni Association upon the conferral of their degree?
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(07-03-2018, 05:31 PM)videogamesrock Wrote: Are HES allowed to join the Harvard Alumni Association upon the conferral of their degree?
They are. They're also allowed to join the Harvard Club. From what I understand, the HAA isn't as valuable for networking as the alumni associations of the individual schools. The Harvard Club appears to be just a social club for people who graduated from Harvard College to talk about the good old days, so membership isn't worth much for someone who can't bond over experiences on Harvard's campus.
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(07-03-2018, 05:40 PM)alexf.1990 Wrote: (07-03-2018, 05:31 PM)videogamesrock Wrote: Are HES allowed to join the Harvard Alumni Association upon the conferral of their degree?
They are. They're also allowed to join the Harvard Club. From what I understand, the HAA isn't as valuable for networking as the alumni associations of the individual schools. The Harvard Club appears to be just a social club for people who graduated from Harvard College to talk about the good old days, so membership isn't worth much for someone who can't bond over experiences on Harvard's campus.
Well, that settles that, once you graduate - you are Harvard alum.
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(07-03-2018, 05:40 PM)alexf.1990 Wrote: (07-03-2018, 05:31 PM)videogamesrock Wrote: Are HES allowed to join the Harvard Alumni Association upon the conferral of their degree?
They are. They're also allowed to join the Harvard Club. From what I understand, the HAA isn't as valuable for networking as the alumni associations of the individual schools. The Harvard Club appears to be just a social club for people who graduated from Harvard College to talk about the good old days, so membership isn't worth much for someone who can't bond over experiences on Harvard's campus.
That is 100% opposite of the Harvard Executive Education alumni. These alumni (HKS can be as short as 6-days) can only join the individual school alumni, not the Univerity one. They join the Harvard Kennedy School, Harvard Business School (HBS), etc. These types only care about their own area.
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(07-03-2018, 06:52 PM)Life Long Learning Wrote: (07-03-2018, 05:40 PM)alexf.1990 Wrote: (07-03-2018, 05:31 PM)videogamesrock Wrote: Are HES allowed to join the Harvard Alumni Association upon the conferral of their degree?
They are. They're also allowed to join the Harvard Club. From what I understand, the HAA isn't as valuable for networking as the alumni associations of the individual schools. The Harvard Club appears to be just a social club for people who graduated from Harvard College to talk about the good old days, so membership isn't worth much for someone who can't bond over experiences on Harvard's campus.
That is 100% opposite of the Harvard Executive Education alumni. These alumni (HKS can be as short as 6-days) can only join the individual school alumni, not the Univerity one. They join the Harvard Kennedy School, Harvard Business School (HBS), etc. These types only care about their own area.
I suppose their rationale is that anyone well off enough to pay 30-50k for a week long course belongs in their inner circle.
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