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Don't misrepresent where you went to school. - sanantone - 06-27-2018
If the prestige of a college matters to an employer, then they likely know the difference between a prestigious school and its extension or professional school or an entirely separate school within the same system that has lower admissions standards. Those employers do not like to be lied to or misled. You probably could have gotten the job based on your work experience if you hadn't lied or fudged the truth.
If an employer does not know the difference between the prestigious or flagship school and its offshoots, then prestige likely doesn't matter to them. Most of their employees probably graduated from non-prestigious schools.
If you went to UT - El Paso, then that is what should be on your resume. Don't just put University of Texas. If you went to Texas A&M - Commerce, don't just put Texas A&M. If you went to CSU Global Campus, then don't omit "Global Campus." If you went to Harvard Extension, then Harvard tells you how to list your degree appropriately to avoid confusion.
Also, if you completed a non-credit certificate at Columbia, then don't tell everyone that you studied business at Columbia. Tyra Banks got herself into trouble by making people believe that she was attending Harvard Business School when it was only an executive certificate program.
A politician also got himself into hot water when he wasn't straight forward about attending Harvard Extension. All of this came to mind because this cop tried to brag to me about getting accepted to Harvard. It turns out he went to Harvard Extension which does not have competitive admission. He was just trying to make it seem like he was better than me because we don't exactly get along. Nice try. I know the difference.
Quote:As somebody who has personally on-boarded somebody claiming an HES degree as a HGSAS degree, I can tell you that this is pure bullwack. What a complete waste of time and energy her fraud was. I wasted a ton of time looking into the issue. Harvard’s own standards have always made it clear to grads that their HES degree is not a Harvard College degree. Period… It’s willful ignorance on the part of HES grads that it will be overlooked. Anyone who doesn’t know how to represent an HES degree on a resume is a liar.
Quote:It happens every few years where my firm gets an HES grad misrepresenting their degree. The latest “MA Anthropology – Harvard,” which after a little checking (we have learned to ALWAYS be suspicious), ends up being an MLA with a concentration from HES. When confronted they always plead ignorance and make the same BS argument about how they took classes on campus at Harvard taught by faculty and blah, blah, blah. Some are otherwise good candidates, but they are still committing resume fraud. I would take an honest UMass or UConn grad over HES any day. Had they listed their true HES credential on the resume and sold it in the interview, they would be fine.
http://blogs.harvard.edu/lamont/2017/11/06/what-employers-think-about-harvard-extension-school-degrees/
http://floridapolitics.com/archives/219972-mark-freeman-questions-brian-mast-harvard
RE: Don't misrepresent where you went to school. - davewill - 06-27-2018
Yeah, it's always best to just own it. I'm proud that I finished my degree at TESU and I'm happy to tell my story if it's relevant.
RE: Don't misrepresent where you went to school. - Life Long Learning - 06-27-2018
(06-27-2018, 02:48 PM)sanantone Wrote: Tyra Banks got herself into trouble by making people believe that she was attending Harvard Business School when it was only an executive certificate program.
Tyra Banks is a lifetime alumni member of Harvard Business School (HBS). She also has a lifetime Harvard Business School (HSB) lifetime email. MIT also gives a lifetime MIT email. She gets put into the HBS list of alumni and network of HBS alumni.
*Executive Education Certificate
Harvard Business School (HBS), Cambridge, Massachusetts
Tyra Banks got in trouble as she said DEGREE.
I think I read her executive education program was 9 weeks long at the Harvard Business School (HBS) campus and completed in three 2-3 week terms.
https://www.exed.hbs.edu/programs/opm/Pages/alumni.aspx
HBS Alumni Community As a member of the exclusive HBS alumni network, you'll be able to tap into a rich network of resources: more than 78,000 MBA (degrees) and Executive Education (rich, successful, leaders) Alumni.
https://www.exed.hbs.edu/Pages/search.aspx?q=alumni
The Harvard Executive Education programs are #2 in annual revenue. It brings in over $411 Million a year in tuition/fees. One online article stated Executive Education alumni donate more and take less than regular degree alumni. Sounds like a win-win to both the Harvard Business school (HBS) and Executive Education.
I do not think the Harvard Extension grads get much?
I plan on doing some Executive Education Certificates in the next 4 years.
I will not call them a degree.
RE: Don't misrepresent where you went to school. - clep3705 - 06-27-2018
How do you feel about NOT listing or mentioning a particular degree on a job application or resume? For people with multiple degrees, I can see not listing degrees from lesser ranked schools. Or a person changing careers not listing degrees from a previous field. Maybe someone in youthful ignorance obtained a nationally accredited degree before obtaining a regionally accredited degree and chooses to omit the nationally accredited degree. I'm not talking about keeping things off of transcripts. If inflating education is wrong, is deflating education wrong?
RE: Don't misrepresent where you went to school. - Life Long Learning - 06-27-2018
(06-27-2018, 05:14 PM)clep3705 Wrote: How do you feel about NOT listing or mentioning a particular degree on a job application or resume? For people with multiple degrees, I can see not listing degrees from lesser ranked schools. Or a person changing careers not listing degrees from a previous field. Maybe someone in youthful ignorance obtained a nationally accredited degree before obtaining a regionally accredited degree and chooses to omit the nationally accredited degree. I'm not talking about keeping things off of transcripts. If inflating education is wrong, is deflating education wrong?
Inflating = Lie
Deflating is not a lie.
I have not put in my HS diploma in 30-years. No room on the resume. Same with my excess general study/liberal arts degrees. Not needed and near useless.
RE: Don't misrepresent where you went to school. - videogamesrock - 06-27-2018
Do you think it’s important to also list the city where you attended and maybe even the college within the university?
RE: Don't misrepresent where you went to school. - Life Long Learning - 06-27-2018
(06-27-2018, 05:23 PM)videogamesrock Wrote: Do you think it’s important to also list the city where you attended and maybe even the college within the university?
If you are a super elite M7 Business graduate they would put the college within the University as the college is often quite famous.
RE: Don't misrepresent where you went to school. - davewill - 06-27-2018
(06-27-2018, 05:23 PM)videogamesrock Wrote: Do you think it’s important to also list the city where you attended and maybe even the college within the university?
Naming the city depends on the school. If the city is part of the name of the school like "University of California, Santa Cruz", then yes. If it's not, like "University of Arizona", then no. I think naming the college within the school is probably optional. If you went to UPenn for business, you'd probably want to say "The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania". If you got your BA at TESU, you probably won't bother with "Heavin School of Arts & Sciences". I know I don't.
P.S. In searching for Wharton, I discovered they are also in San Francisco and Bejing, so if you went to one of those other locations rather than Philly, you should probably mention it.
RE: Don't misrepresent where you went to school. - dfrecore - 06-28-2018
(06-27-2018, 05:14 PM)clep3705 Wrote: How do you feel about NOT listing or mentioning a particular degree on a job application or resume? For people with multiple degrees, I can see not listing degrees from lesser ranked schools. Or a person changing careers not listing degrees from a previous field. Maybe someone in youthful ignorance obtained a nationally accredited degree before obtaining a regionally accredited degree and chooses to omit the nationally accredited degree. I'm not talking about keeping things off of transcripts. If inflating education is wrong, is deflating education wrong?
No problem leaving things off. I even leave jobs off if I'm tailoring my resume to a specific job. There are now too many to list, and some are not relevant. Nobody cares that I worked at the school sandwich shop in college. Or the shoe store. Or the job I quit after 2 weeks because I refused to work for a chauvinist pig. Etc.
I don't list my Certificate in Management, or my BOG AAS, and never will. My BSBA is quite enough. I do list important certifications I have, especially if they pertain to the job I'm going for. An IT person might have more of these than any kind of formal education on their resume.
RE: Don't misrepresent where you went to school. - sanantone - 06-28-2018
School systems can get kind of confusing. I'll use Texas since I'm most familiar with it. We have multiple university systems: Texas A&M, Texas Tech, University of Texas, University of Houston, and Texas State. There might be one more system, but it's not big.
University of Houston, Texas A&M, and University of Texas have separate schools with the same name just with a different city (or location) at the end. They're separate schools accredited independently with different adminissions requirements and levels of prestige. For example, University of Houston - Downtown has a reputation of not being as good as University of Houston. Even though it's not in a different city, it's a separate school.
On the other hand, UTSA has a downtown campus that's a part of the main campus. Texas State University has a Round Rock campus that's a part of the main school in San Marcos.