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Affirmative Action for Males is Still Legal - sanantone - 05-23-2024
Even though males are not a historically oppressed group, and we still live in a patriarchy, some institutions of higher education have implemented Affirmative Action for male applicants. In high school, female students have higher grades, complete more credits, participate in more extracurricular activities, and take more challenging courses. Women also apply to college, attend college, graduate from college, and graduate with honors at higher rates than men do. This has led to some institutions setting gender quotas and/or applying higher standards for female applicants.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/what-would-sandra-day-oconnor-have-thought-about-affirmative-action-for-men
RE: Affirmative Action for Males is Still Legal - Ares - 05-29-2024
(05-23-2024, 09:51 PM)sanantone Wrote: ...and we still live in a patriarchy, [...] In high school, female students have higher grades, complete more credits, participate in more extracurricular activities, and take more challenging courses. Women also apply to college, attend college, graduate from college, and graduate with honors at higher rates than men do.
It is impressive the mythical patriarchy allowed this to happen.
RE: Affirmative Action for Males is Still Legal - sanantone - 05-29-2024
No one had to allow anything to happen. According to a survey conducted by Pew, men are not attending college as much as women are because they simply don't want to. Black and white thinking gets some people into trouble because they don't understand spectrums. While some societies have moved closer to egalitarianism, the vast majority of human societies still lean toward the patriarchal side. If lineage is still passed via the male line, it is a patriarchy. It is still the case in American society that most children will take their father's surname. If most of the politicians and executives are men, even though women outnumber men in a country, then it is still a patriarchy.
pa·tri·arch·y
noun
a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line.
"the thematic relationships of the ballad are worked out according to the conventional archetypes of the patriarchy"
a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it.
"the dominant ideology of patriarchy"
a society or community organized on patriarchal lines.
plural noun: patriarchies
"we live in a patriarchy"
Dichotomous thinking is a trait of autism spectrum disorder, which is, ironically, a spectrum. Those with autism spectrum disorder also tend to stress over alignment and orderliness.
RE: Affirmative Action for Males is Still Legal - sanantone - 05-30-2024
(05-30-2024, 12:39 PM)Ares Wrote: Men are not attending college because they learn quicker than women it is a waste of money and they can earn just as much money without a degree or by learning a trade.
You don't understand anything about economics or functioning societies.
Most of the politicians and executives are men because they are better at those jobs. Any company can at any time go ahead and hire only women but they would likely quickly go out of business.
You don't research anything, do you? On average, men with degrees earn substantially more than men without degrees. Also, up until recently, there has been a steep decline in men pursuing skilled trades. No matter how fast you learn, you can't become an engineer, physician, attorney, or CPA without post-secondary education. Not to mention that, in societies where women are no longer restricted from pursuing education, they now have higher average IQ scores than men. That seems to correlate with women now performing better than men in academics.
I'm starting to think you're a troll, so I'm just going to ignore you from now on. You say the absolute dumbest things. I don’t know what your sex is, but I hope you aren't one of those, supposedly, intellectually superior males because you are not representing them well. I guess this should be expected since people on the far right tend to have below average cognitive scores.
RE: Affirmative Action for Males is Still Legal - davewill - 05-30-2024
(05-30-2024, 01:18 PM)sanantone Wrote: I'm starting to think you're a troll, so I'm just going to ignore you from now on. ...I have to agree. It's almost impossible to construe their message as anything but intentionally offensive.
RE: Affirmative Action for Males is Still Legal - Ares - 05-30-2024
(05-30-2024, 01:18 PM)sanantone Wrote: Not to mention that, in societies where women are no longer restricted from pursuing education, they now have higher average IQ scores than men.
Sure they do, and yet they still suck at chess.
RE: Affirmative Action for Males is Still Legal - Jonathan Whatley - 05-30-2024
(05-30-2024, 01:37 PM)Ares Wrote:(05-30-2024, 01:18 PM)sanantone Wrote: Not to mention that, in societies where women are no longer restricted from pursuing education, they now have higher average IQ scores than men.
Sure they do, and yet they still suck at chess.
That's like saying that non-Russians suck at chess. It reflects something about the popularity of high-level competitive chess among Russians (or likewise males) relative to its unpopularity among others. It doesn't indicate Russian (or likewise male) superiority in any other domain.
RE: Affirmative Action for Males is Still Legal - Ares - 05-30-2024
(05-30-2024, 01:49 PM)Jonathan Whatley Wrote:(05-30-2024, 01:37 PM)Ares Wrote:(05-30-2024, 01:18 PM)sanantone Wrote: Not to mention that, in societies where women are no longer restricted from pursuing education, they now have higher average IQ scores than men.
Sure they do, and yet they still suck at chess.
That's like saying that non-Russians suck at chess. It reflects something about the popularity of high-level competitive chess among Russians (or likewise males) relative to its unpopularity among others. It doesn't indicate Russian (or likewise male) superiority in any other domain.
I had no idea Magnus Carlsen and Bobby Fisher were Russian. When was the last time a Russian was world champion? No what it shows is men have higher IQs than women.
RE: Affirmative Action for Males is Still Legal - jg_nuy - 05-30-2024
The ignore list is a useful tool.
RE: Affirmative Action for Males is Still Legal - Jonathan Whatley - 05-30-2024
(05-30-2024, 01:54 PM)Ares Wrote: No what it shows is men have higher IQs than women.
Which gender predominates in the championship levels of a board game hobby is a terrible proxy for IQ.
"Ares introduces increasingly ridiculous proxies for IQ" is a recurring topic on DegreeForum. Previously you treated MCAT scores and undergraduate GPAs as proxies for IQ. You could have noticed that they aren't even good proxies for each other – that's why the measures are consistently used together, because they measure different things. And IQ measures a third different thing in turn.
And now that someone's noted women have high IQs (and high grades), you've reached for a new and even sillier proxy for IQ.