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Freedom of Thought - Charles Fout - 04-18-2024

1. No book should be banned.

2. Librarians should never be subjected to the whims of mob rule.




https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/us-librarians-fear-penalties-prison-over-book-bans/7565844.html


RE: Freedom of Thought - LevelUP - 04-18-2024

(04-18-2024, 06:38 AM)Charles Fout Wrote: 1. No book should be banned.

2. Librarians should never be subjected to the whims of mob rule.




https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/us-librarians-fear-penalties-prison-over-book-bans/7565844.html

But Missouri legislators passed a law in 2022 punishing librarians with fines and possible imprisonment for permitting sexually explicit materials on bookshelves.

It's about protecting kids and parental rights. That's why those laws were passed.


RE: Freedom of Thought - Jonathan Whatley - 04-18-2024

(04-18-2024, 03:35 PM)LevelUP Wrote:
(04-18-2024, 06:38 AM)Charles Fout Wrote: https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/us-librarians-fear-penalties-prison-over-book-bans/7565844.html

But Missouri legislators passed a law in 2022 punishing librarians with fines and possible imprisonment for permitting sexually explicit materials on bookshelves.

It's about protecting kids and parental rights. That's why those laws were passed.

That quote in context:


Quote:An illustrated edition of Margaret Atwood’s book The Handmaid’s Tale was released in 2019. The book is widely considered a classic work about the oppression of women. An illustrated version of the book would help it reach teens who struggle with words alone.

Educators in Clayton, Missouri, needed little debate before deciding to keep copies of the book in high school libraries.

But Missouri legislators passed a law in 2022 punishing librarians with fines and possible imprisonment for permitting sexually explicit materials on bookshelves. The school system reconsidered the new Atwood edition and later removed it from libraries.

I read the class copy of The Handmaid's Tale in elementary school. Grade 5. Circa 1990. Public school, gifted class, Canada.

A reasonable threshold for "sexually explicit material" for a public high school library nearly 35 years later should not bar this acclaimed and classic novel of ideas.


RE: Freedom of Thought - LevelUP - 04-18-2024

(04-18-2024, 05:21 PM)Jonathan Whatley Wrote: I read the class copy of The Handmaid's Tale in elementary school. Grade 5. Circa 1990. Public school, gifted class, Canada.

A reasonable threshold for "sexually explicit material" for a public high school library nearly 35 years later should not bar this acclaimed and classic novel of ideas.

Since when did the left side care about freedom of speech?


RE: Freedom of Thought - Jonathan Whatley - 04-18-2024

(04-18-2024, 05:42 PM)LevelUP Wrote: Since when did the left side care about freedom of speech?

Many people on the left, center, and right care about freedom of speech. The ACLU, although stereotypically popular with liberals, regularly advocates for free-speech causes whose positions are unpopular with liberals including Rush Limbaugh, Chick-fil-A, the Tea Party, and the Washington Redskins.


Freedom of Thought - NotJoeBiden - 04-18-2024

(04-18-2024, 03:35 PM)LevelUP Wrote: It's about protecting kids and parental rights. That's why those laws were passed.


Censorship is never a reasonable policy. If you dont like a book, then dont read it. Simple as that.


RE: Freedom of Thought - LevelUP - 04-18-2024

(04-18-2024, 06:37 PM)NotJoeBiden Wrote:
(04-18-2024, 03:35 PM)LevelUP Wrote: It's about protecting kids and parental rights. That's why those laws were passed.


Censorship is never a reasonable policy. If you dont like a book, then dont read it. Simple as that.

Nothing stops parents from going out and buying whatever book they want or going to their city library.

If they want to read P to their children, go ahead.


RE: Freedom of Thought - jg_nuy - 04-18-2024

It’s always “think of the children” except when it’s about:
* giving access to health care
* making sure they’re fed
* prevent from being shot in school & other such initiatives.

But let’s overlook that most books on the restrict & punish lists are by authors of color, women & LGBTQ+ authors. To the point that they’ve to amend in order to unblock the Bible

https://apnews.com/article/florida-ron-desantis-education-book-bans-65daf4420318a837487976c10bb75d86


RE: Freedom of Thought - Charles Fout - 04-19-2024

(04-18-2024, 03:35 PM)LevelUP Wrote:
(04-18-2024, 06:38 AM)Charles Fout Wrote: 1. No book should be banned.

2. Librarians should never be subjected to the whims of mob rule.




https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/us-librarians-fear-penalties-prison-over-book-bans/7565844.html

But Missouri legislators passed a law in 2022 punishing librarians with fines and possible imprisonment for permitting sexually explicit materials on bookshelves.

It's about protecting kids and parental rights. That's why those laws were passed.
Parents have the obligation to parent regardless of what books are on the shelves.

That that I think of my self as a conservative is irrelevant but; I see this attack on free thought as a misguided "dog whistle" strategy with the purpose of creating more cultural animosity to further divide us.

No book should ever be banned. Opposing arguments or discussions of why a thought is wrong should be welcome. 

The whims of mob rule are never creative.


RE: Freedom of Thought - LevelUP - 04-19-2024

(04-19-2024, 04:59 AM)Charles Fout Wrote: No book should ever be banned. Opposing arguments or discussions of why a thought is wrong should be welcome. 

The whims of mob rule are never creative.

So then you are for allowing 2nd and 3rd graders to read Playboy magazines in school?  Where is the line if there is no line?

You won't define a line because then you will realize how rediculous your position is.