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(06-28-2023, 02:49 PM)ss20ts Wrote: I'm still tryingto figure out how it took 2.5 years to free everyone from slavery.
Because of the Civil War.
The notion that the Emancipation Proclamation freed all the slaves is not entirely accurate.
Civil War Began: April 12, 1861
Date the Emancipation Proclamation Took Effect: January 1, 1863
The Emancipation Proclamation specifically applied to Confederate states that were in rebellion against the Union during the American Civil War. It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in those states that had seceded from the Union and were actively engaged in the war against the United States.
However, the proclamation did not apply to border states that remained loyal to the Union, such as Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri, where slavery was still legally practiced. It also did not apply to specific areas of Confederate territory that had already come under Union control by the time of its issuance.
Civil War Ended: April 9, 1865
Texas Slaves Notified: On June 19, 1865, enslaved African Americans in Texas were informed of their freedom, approximately two months after the Civil War ended.
(06-28-2023, 02:28 PM)sanantone Wrote: Opal Lee fought hard to have Juneteenth recognized. I haven't heard of anyone who campaigned as hard to have Emancipation Day recognized as an official holiday.
Although Trump's push to recognize Juneteenth as a federal holiday was politically motivated, it was also a campaign for its recognition
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-pledges-jun...11409.html
One issue with Juneteenth as a holiday is that it assumes the premise that the Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves, which is not entirely accurate.
https://time.com/6286476/juneteenth-when...avery-end/
The Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order that many states ignored, as they did not consider Lincoln a legitimate president.
A more fitting holiday, which coincides with Black History Month in February, would be the 13th Amendment's passage through Congress on January 31, 1865.
Key Amendments
- 13th Amendment - Abolished slavery. Supported by 100% of the Republicans and 23% of the Democrats.
- 14th Amendment - Citizenship for freed slaves. Supported by 94% of the Republicans and 0% of the Democrats.
- 15th Amendment - Right to vote for all. Supported by 100% of the Republicans and 0% of the Democrats.
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06-29-2023, 12:38 PM
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(06-28-2023, 09:30 PM)LevelUP Wrote: (06-28-2023, 02:49 PM)ss20ts Wrote: I'm still tryingto figure out how it took 2.5 years to free everyone from slavery.
Because of the Civil War.
The notion that the Emancipation Proclamation freed all the slaves is not entirely accurate.
Civil War Began: April 12, 1861
Date the Emancipation Proclamation Took Effect: January 1, 1863
The Emancipation Proclamation specifically applied to Confederate states that were in rebellion against the Union during the American Civil War. It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in those states that had seceded from the Union and were actively engaged in the war against the United States.
However, the proclamation did not apply to border states that remained loyal to the Union, such as Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri, where slavery was still legally practiced. It also did not apply to specific areas of Confederate territory that had already come under Union control by the time of its issuance.
Civil War Ended: April 9, 1865
Texas Slaves Notified: On June 19, 1865, enslaved African Americans in Texas were informed of their freedom, approximately two months after the Civil War ended.
(06-28-2023, 02:28 PM)sanantone Wrote: Opal Lee fought hard to have Juneteenth recognized. I haven't heard of anyone who campaigned as hard to have Emancipation Day recognized as an official holiday.
Although Trump's push to recognize Juneteenth as a federal holiday was politically motivated, it was also a campaign for its recognition
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-pledges-jun...11409.html
One issue with Juneteenth as a holiday is that it assumes the premise that the Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves, which is not entirely accurate.
https://time.com/6286476/juneteenth-when...avery-end/
The Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order that many states ignored, as they did not consider Lincoln a legitimate president.
A more fitting holiday, which coincides with Black History Month in February, would be the 13th Amendment's passage through Congress on January 31, 1865.
Key Amendments
- 13th Amendment - Abolished slavery. Supported by 100% of the Republicans and 23% of the Democrats.
- 14th Amendment - Citizenship for freed slaves. Supported by 94% of the Republicans and 0% of the Democrats.
- 15th Amendment - Right to vote for all. Supported by 100% of the Republicans and 0% of the Democrats.
Trump only knew about the holiday because of Opal Lee. She pitched the holiday to multiple presidents. She first tried to get Trump's attention back in 2016 with a planned walk from Fort Worth, TX to DC. It's convenient that he waited until 2020 to pledge recognition of the holiday.
Maryland abolished slavery in 1864. However, Kentucky and Delaware continued to allow slavery until the 13th Amendment was ratified in December of 1965.
Why are you bringing party politics into this? Do you think southern Republicans are the same as northern Republicans in the 1800s? Some of today's southern Republicans think that the forced end of segregation was unconstitutional because states' rights take precedent over individuals' constitutional rights. Today's southern Republicans are not much different from pre-LBJ southern Democrats. As a matter of fact, it is well-documented that Republicans decided to adopt racist stances in the 1970s and increasingly so in the 1980s to attract voters in the South. They took advantage of Democrats losing popularity in the South after LBJ. Now, why did Democrats lose support among southerners as they pushed for more anti-racist bills? Southerners didn't all of a sudden become not racist. They just took their racism to a different party.
You can't just look at party labels. You have to look at the people who make up the party and their political stances during the time period being referenced. If you think the southerners of today who wave the Confederate flag are Democrats, I have a bridge to sell you. As a lifelong southerner, I can tell you that they are very proud of their Confederate and Democratic ancestors. We have official holidays honoring them. Even though they use Abraham Lincoln as a political tool, they hate him.
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