Why Charter Oak State College is better than Thomas Edison State College

[KittenMittens]

That supports what I said on the first page of this thread.

He states that TECEPs are harder - several/a lot all people on this forum have explicitly mentioned/seem to think that TECEPs are harder/hardest for a reason. The lack of feedback for TECEPs, lack of instantcert flash cards, and prep materials indicate that as such too. I'm not going to belabor that point any more. I think the issue's been discussed to death now where people can come to their own conclusions, but right now it feels like you're trying to prove your argument right no matter what, and that's not what this discussion should be about.

[sanantone]

Excelsior exams are based on a single textbook, so it's common for questions to come directly from a specific paragraph or diagram in the assigned reading. With CLEPs, they tend to recommend 8 or 10 books that all cover the same general material, so you'll never see that happen.

Keep in mind that ECEs are harder than CLEPs and DSSTs...

I do agree that these tests are a little harder than CLEPs and DSSTs, and they are often based on specific texts, but I disagree that these tests are set up as 70%=pass, 90%=A.

http://www.degreeforum.net/general-educa...-95-a.html

[sanantone]

He states that TECEPs are harder - several/a lot all people on this forum have explicitly mentioned/seem to think that TECEPs are harder/hardest for a reason. The lack of feedback for TECEPs, lack of instantcert flash cards, and prep materials indicate that as such too. I'm not going to belabor that point any more. I think the issue's been discussed to death now where people can come to their own conclusions, but right now it feels like you're trying to prove your argument right no matter what, and that's not what this discussion should be about.

He or she said throw ECEs in there as well as being harder. What he or she is saying is that ECEs and TECEPs are harder, which supports what I said on the first page of this thread.

TECEPs and UExcels are considered slightly harder just because they are based on a select set of books as opposed to general subject knowledge like the CLEPs/DSSTs.

http://www.degreeforum.net/excelsior-tho...-dsst.html

[Exfactor]

Excelsior, a no name ... Excelsior is the state motto for the state of New York. It has a definite connection for the millions connected to the State of New York. It is also listed on numerous other colleges in their credit by exam policies as an acceptable form of transfer credit for their ECE / Uexcel courses, the idea that not many CEO's have a no name degree, Excelsior currently has about 38,000 students each year, to imply that they don't reach all levels of society is either biased or misinformed. If we were to further define it and state that they don't become CEO's of fortune 500 companies it may be closer to the truth. I'm glad you have found the college that was right for you at the right price. Excelsior was and is that college for me! Ever upward!

I google searched ECEs and found it interesting how I found hundreds of state universities and colleges mentioning ECEs as a form of transfer credit, or a method to use to test out a specific in-house course. So much for Big 3 credits not being transferable.

[KittenMittens]

More comments that show why TECEPs are not attractive options for most students...

He or she said throw ECEs in there as well as being harder. What he or she is saying is that ECEs and TECEPs are harder, which supports what I said on the first page of this thread.

http://www.degreeforum.net/excelsior-tho...-dsst.html

http://www.degreeforum.net/excelsior-tho...tecep.html

03-12-2014, 11:10 AM zenurez states: “There appear to be a LOT of study resources out there for CLEP's and DSST and I really like the flashcard system. TECEP's seem less known, harder and will likely require more books and only have four flashcard courses so far on instantcert. Additionally, I can schedule a CLEP or DSST test with 2-3 days notice but with TESC I'm still waiting for admissions to be finished so I can schedule my first TECEP. From what I understand they enroll students for TECEP just like enrolling for a semester, so you have to enroll 4-6 weeks in advance of when you want to be able take the test. I find this very inconvenient.”

http://www.degreeforum.net/excelsior-tho...ology.html

ali4nia states: “TECEP is not cheaper and is harder to pass ! usually you gotta have 60% right to get it done vs ECE with 45-50% correct answer you usually pass with a C,

I called tesc and they said they grade it manually so add the human error to this.. they graded one of my TECEP (among many other mistake they did) by 10 point below my real score 59 instead of 69 and I had to bust my a.. to make them correct their mistake

You pay way more than any other test, you wait way more than any other test to get your result(by regular mail they dont give grade on the phone after almost 1 month of waiting and their 5000 yrs old website goes blank where is supposed to show the TECEP score) and at the end you endup with a D while you have almost 70% of all your answers right,

I know some of you might not agree but I think some how TECEP is a ripoff compared to other tests,there is no enrolled or non-enrolled price for ECE, ECE A&P is 145 bucks cheaper if you paid the tecep at the enrolled price, or 625 bucks cheaper at the regular price !!!! thats huge difference at least for me,ECE is computer based and you get the score right away, drama free like dsst/clep, GO WITH ECE anytime when you can, TECEP should be really really the last option !!
ah I almost forgot: add usually a 30 bucks proctor fee for TECEP to make it even more wonderful !!”

http://www.degreeforum.net/general-educa...tecep.html

blu2blue states: “Which tests specifcally? These exams are known to be textbook centric. Look in the exam breakdowns available on the TESC website and see if you can buy the book(s) that are recommended in the breakdown. You can probably get a good deal on half.com, abebooks.com or one of the other used textbook sites.”

Farmerboy states: “In general TECEP's are significantly harder than CLEPS or Dantes. However they are still very doable, just require more study and a more narrow, deeper, knowledge of the subject at hand.”

http://www.degreeforum.net/excelsior-tho...ition.html

cookderosa states: “I only took 1 TECEP as a student, but took a year's worth of classes. I wouldn't take another TECEP and I wouldn't get excited about the option. I found TECEP to be much harder than CLEP and much harder than my classes. Mine (Nutrition) was text-book specific and written by a 2nd grader. Okay, maybe not, but it was awful. I remember one question was "what is the most popular sandwich in America" and most questions were short answer / fill in the blank that you wouldn't know without the text.”

http://www.degreeforum.net/general-educa...exams.html

Kiwi Lover (a moderator) states: “I am currently attempting to study for the TECEP Operations Management exam. After taking numerous DANTES and CLEP exams (and using IC for my main study materials), I am finding it a LOT harder studying for this TECEP exam. It has slowed me down considerably having to learn this subject by reading an entire book and then creating my own study notes. [B]I felt like I was going 70 mph using IC for the other exams and have now slowed down to a 10 mph crawl studying for this TECEP without IC[/B]. One thing is for sure...if I had had to do this for all of my other exams and not had the benefit of IC, I would not be nearly as far along in the pursuit of my degree.”

So this pretty much strongly supports if not practically demonstrates my argument that TECEPs are more difficult, more tedious, and laborious to deal with. Like I said, most people are not willing or motivated enough to study at least 8 textbooks to take exams that are harder and tests on random sentences from some page of a textbook. So far I've shown at least 7 - 10 users, including a moderator, Kiwi, who agree with the logic, and there are many more people who are on the same page on that note so I am not alone in this belief. It's why I think instantcert.com never pursued the TECEP materials because they're harder to prepare materials for, and there are less people taking them.

With this belief in mind, COSC's program becomes more attractive thanks to the flexibility of taking courses/exams from anywhere, an organized master exam table that shows what each exam will transfer in as, and being a few hundred bucks cheaper than TESC's "enrolled option" plan which is what the original post was about.

[sanantone]

Really? You're looking at old threads. You do not pay way more than any other test. The TECEPs are now $111 each and cheaper than Uexcels! Stop being dishonest. Only tests with short answers and essays are graded manually. Tests that are completely multiple choice and taken online are graded by a computer, and your score is given to you instantly. Yes, there are several TECEPs that are completely multiple choice. Please stop spreading misinformation. And, you have completely ignored all of the posts that also say ECEs/Uexcels are harder than CLEP and DSST. Did you already forget that I said on the first page that TECEPs require more study?

Instantcert never pursued TECEPs? They have three flashcard sets, and you know it because you said it. Are you a native English speaker?

[KittenMittens]

Really? You're looking at old threads. You do not pay way more than any other test. The TECEPs are now $111 each and cheaper than Uexcels! Stop being dishonest. Only tests with short answers and essays are graded manually. Tests that are completely multiple choice and taken online are graded by a computer, and your score is given to you instantly. Yes, there are several TECEPs that are completely multiple choice. Please stop spreading misinformation. And, you have completely ignored all of the posts that also say ECEs/Uexcels are harder than CLEP and DSST. Did you already forget that I said on the first page that TECEPs require more study?

Instantcert never pursued TECEPs? They have three flashcard sets, and you know it because you said it. Are you a native English speaker?

Did you have any problems learning English growing up in America? I think my grasp of English is greater than yours... So you know in India, because the British ruled for centuries, we are bilingual in both English and Hindi generally from the day we are born - it's why so many jobs are outsourced there... You like to dissect every word literally and your arguments are mainly semantical in nature not really based on the message itself; it's really quite annoying and may hinder you from getting the bigger picture. I think given the context most people would understand what I've said, but if you need me to spell it out to you, Instantcert never pursued TECEP any further because the demand for the exams is far less than the other ones. That's why there is an absence of TECEP material versus the other subjects.

And yes - I am looking at older threads. That's called history - things haven't changed much over the last few years in terms of the information regarding the content and difficulty of TECEP exams. I don't know how you can say I'm being dishonest when someone else said the TECEP exam was more expensive than the ECE exam (at that time). I merely quoted the whole statement, so that nothing could be taken out of context. As you know, I've stated in a previous post that a $34 difference between the two is too miniscule a difference to go for the TECEP again. Stop trying to portray me in a negative light and politicizing and blowing trivial issues out of proportion...

And, you have completely ignored all of the posts that also say ECEs/Uexcels are harder than CLEP and DSST. Did you already forget that I said on the first page that TECEPs require more study?

Oh I fully admit that UExcels are generally harder than CLEPs and DSSTs (to some degree and exceptions ie DSST Finance), but they're definitely easier than TECEPs - there's no dispute about that by many forum members. You're basically disagreeing with at least 10 people on TECEP difficulty.I've more or less made a strong argument why TECEPs are a bad option for most students, and at least 10 people if not more have agreed with me on that. So what if they are old posts, and most were only a few years ago. Your problem Sanantone is that you keep on fixating on "winning the argument" and "wanting to be right" to a fault that it's getting annoying, and your arguments are actually quite ridiculous. You're not upset about purportedly insulting the schools, you're upset that I'm undermining your own beliefs on what you think is right and it shows. You try to find the smallest little statement that can be misinterpreted, and you fixate on it or overanalyze it - don't do that because it won't win you any favors. I get that you like to help people here on this website practically to a fault, but there are many interpretations on things, and you don't know the answer to everything all the time.

Regardless, I strongly believe you're dead wrong on TECEPs being a good option versus the other ones, and by trying to undermine what others have noted about TECEPs generally being the hardest, you're not winning yourself any favors. Anyways, I'm done with this issue which you've persisted on arguing to the most trivial detail, and you've again made attacks on my character, as well as immaturely try to cast doubt on my grasp of the English language. I know you have an insatiable urge to prove you're absolutely right to the bitter end, and you can have the last word; I think the comments from several people showing their disapproval and concerns over TECEP exams are very telling despite the fact you've tried to completely discredit them by stating they're completely wrong (they're not), misinformed, or mistaken and again trying to discredit their opinions over some minor technical mistake they may have made. People's impressions about an exam though aren't incorrect - if a lot of people think TECEPs are the hardest - then they're probably onto something. Anyways, I'm done having this conversation with you now. Take care and best of luck.

[sanantone]

My grasp of English is clearly greater than yours - so you know in India, because the British ruled for centuries, we are bilingual in both English and Hindi from an early age - it's why so many jobs are outsourced there... You like to dissect every word literally and your arguments are mainly semantical in nature; it's really quite annoying and may hinder you from getting the bigger picture. Instantcert never pursued TECEP any further because the demand for the exams is far less than the other ones. That's why there is an absence of TECEP material versus the other subjects.

And yes - I am looking at older threads. That's called history - things haven't changed much over the last few years in terms of difficulty of TECEP exams. I don't know how you can say I'm being dishonest when someone else said the TECEP exam was more expensive than the ECE exam (at that time). I merely quoted the whole statement, so that nothing could be taken out of context. As you know, I've stated in a previous post that a $34 difference between the two is too miniscule a difference to go for the TECEP again. Stop trying to portray me in a negative light and politicizing and use some actual logical arguments for a chance...



Oh I fully admit that UExcels are harder than CLEPs and DSSTs (to some degree and exceptions ie DSST Finance), but they're definitely easier than TECEPs - there's no dispute about that by many forum members. You're basically disagreeing with at least 10 people on TECEP difficulty.I've more or less made a strong argument why TECEPs are a bad option for most students, and at least 10 people if not more have agreed with me on that. So what if they are old posts, and most were only a few years ago. Your problem Sanantone is that you keep on fixating on "winning the argument" and "wanting to be right" to a fault that it's getting annoying. You're not upset about supposedly insulting the schools, you're upset that I'm undermining your own beliefs on what you think is right and it shows. You try to find the smallest little statement that can be misinterpreted, and you fixate on it or overanalyze it - don't do that because it won't win you any favors. I get that you like to help people here on this website but there are many interpretations on things, and you don't know the answer to everything all the time. Regardless, I strongly believe your dead wrong on TECEPs being a good option versus the other ones, and by trying to undermine what others have noted about TECEPs generally being the hardest, you're not winning yourself any favors. Anyways, I'm done with this issue which you've persisted on arguing to the most minute detail; sorry, Sanantone but I'm done having this conversation with you now. Take care now.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to make yourself feel better. Even one person you quoted said that TECEPs are still very doable. One of the sentences you highlighted in those posts was based on TECEPs being more expensive, requiring an on-ground proctor, and being hand-graded at the time. So, yes, you are being dishonest. There is also some misinformation in those posts. For example, the person who said you only need to get 45-50% to pass an ECE. First of all, I guess that's fine if you want a "C" on your transcript; however, the percentage you need right varies by subject and version of exam. This is also true for CLEP and DSST. Some Uexcels require getting a higher percentage correct just to get a "C."

[lavagirl]

Oh I fully admit that UExcels are generally harder than CLEPs and DSSTs (to some degree and exceptions ie DSST Finance), but they're definitely easier than TECEPs - there's no dispute about that by many forum members. You're basically disagreeing with at least 10 people on TECEP difficulty.I've more or less made a strong argument why TECEPs are a bad option for most students, and at least 10 people if not more have agreed with me on that. .

I never took Uexcels, but I took 2 TECEPs: MAT-105 and CIS- 107 without any study and got 97% and 98% . In my opinion, they were easier than Straighterline's tests.

[KittenMittens]

I never took Uexcels, but I took 2 TECEPs: MAT-105 and CIS- 107 without any study and got 97% and 98% . In my opinion, they were easier than Straighterline's tests.

Ok, now try doing that with an exam like TECEP Strategic Management. Mat-105 is "MAT-105-TE Applied Liberal Arts Mathematics" and the other some generic computer applications exam.

This exam tests a broad-based overview of mathematics intended for non-math majors and emphasizes problem-solving modeled on real-life applications. Topics include: number systems; solution of basic algebraic problems; sets, logic, and probability; interpretation of statistical data; the metric system; and calculations involving geometric objects."

and "CIS-107 Computer Concepts and Applications

Provides an overview of computers, focusing on historical development; hardware; application software; communications; Internet use; how to purchase, install and maintain a computer; information systems; system analysis and design; programming; careers in the computer field; security, ethics and privacy issues; and multimedia. The laboratory portion of the course features the use of Microsoft Office and Windows."

Now try doing another 6 TECEP exams and see how many you can do without consulting a textbook. Majority of the exams need a particular textbook that you have to read cover to cover. And if I understand correctly, these TECEPs you did are lower level. For all degrees, you need upper level credit - and those TECEP exams are much more difficult. There are also probably better options for the 100 level i.e. CLEP Computer Applications or Clep College Math because there are practice materials. For you, you obviously have a working knowledge of math and computers, but if a person didn't, it'd be good to have some review materials that would help.

Most of the TECEP exams in question have to do with indepth subjects particularly in business like accounting, finance, taxes, etc. And those ones 9/10 students would probably be unable to get a 98% at least without extensive and involved studying. The one you took was likely very generic. Still the consensus overall is that TECEPs are the hardest as I and other posters have said.