UMPI YourPace RN-to-BSN (Foreign BSN) and credential evaluation (NACES)

[Duneranger]

So all the nursing programs on umpi is handled by UMFK (corrext me if im  wrong)

umfk will accept myiee.org without issue..

Additionally unless anyone knows of a cheaper option umfk is probably best for masters at $500/credit. I dont believe they are pass or fail but do check.


My spouse is in the process of getting in the accelerated bsn program at umfk. He has bach at umpi and some lpn classes in canada. They said most likely they wouldnt transfer except maybe 1 class but will see later.

Off topic for OP but just a note for Canadians likely UMFK/umpi is likely your best option in usa fmto get RN due to cheap tuition policies for cabadians = local rate and high acceptance rate..

Exactly correct. All the Nursing programs at UMPI are actually administered through UMFK and that's where you have to be admitted to and meet the requirements. The RN to BSN program has two requirements prior to admission: (1) an unencumbered RN License issued by a US State or from Canada and (2) an ADN or equivalent diploma in Nursing. I believe that OP isn't yet licensed as an RN, so I am not sure if he/she will meet this requirement.

Additionally, UMFK has a fully online RN to MSN Nurse Practitioner pathway that is available and I am seriously considering. One could do the seven required RN to BSN undergraduate courses through YourPace and then petition to matriculate into the NP MSN, which is a 15 month program at $500 per credit hour. It's very tempting.

Online NP programs are in general, terrible.  I precepted many online students and then decided to refuse any more. Often these schools do NOT set up clinicals for you and its all on you which is HARD. Many people just drop out or are forced to pay providers under the table for hours. Its not as simple as just knocking on a door or calling your friend Bob NP to help you out. Go to a local school which at LEAST as hybrid set up.

Trust me, the NP market is saturated because QC has gone downhill and these 100% online programs have run amok. Do you want YOUR MEDICAL provider to train online 100% and set up their own clinical experiences? Hell no.

For-profits like Walden/Kaplan/Capella are to blame as well as not-for-profit state schools trying to get in on the cash cow LIKE UMFK.

Thank me later.

This isn't some bull-sh*t online CBE marketing, liberal studies or business/comm degree where you aren't going to kill anyone half-assing it....this is real, no sh*t serious stuff where you can seriously impact someone's life if you are ill-prepared.

[bjcheung77]

WGU MSN is a bad option if you plan on doing something like CRNA (DNP). You NEED a solid GPA for CRNA school and a standard 3.0 will kill someone's shot. I tell everyone to avoid the MSN at WGU at WGU unless they are SURE they dont want to do anything else in nursing.

DNP is much different from a PhD.

Basically, in short, I agree.  Just using WGU as an example as OP mentioned several that are possible options along with other institutions.  It was the easiest to type...  Anyways, the main thing is, to make sure to get all the prerequisites completed before apply to a Masters or PhD, etc. (plus anything I may have missed in my earlier posts, including GPA).  

Online NP programs are in general, terrible.  I precepted many online students and then decided to refuse any more. Often these schools do NOT set up clinicals for you and its all on you which is HARD. Many people just drop out or are forced to pay providers under the table for hours. Its not as simple as just knocking on a door or calling your friend Bob NP to help you out. Go to a local school which at LEAST as hybrid set up.

Trust me, the NP market is saturated because QC has gone downhill and these 100% online programs have run amok. Do you want YOUR MEDICAL provider to train online 100% and set up their own clinical experiences? Hell no.

For-profits like Walden/Kaplan/Capella are to blame as well as not-for-profit state schools trying to get in on the cash cow LIKE UMFK.

Thank me later.

This isn't some bull-sh*t online CBE marketing, liberal studies or business/comm degree where you aren't going to kill anyone half-assing it....this is real, no sh*t serious stuff where you can seriously impact someone's life if you are ill-prepared.

+1, I agree with this as well, the main thing is to make sure students get all the prerequisites and requirements completed beforehand.  I wouldn't want to be screened or treated by a 5 minute pre-admissions nurse if I ever went to a hospital, I'd like to get a 6 minute nurse instead - one that will ask more questions to make sure processes are followed, that extra minute counts...

Having said that, there are many professional programs now that will take online classes for the hard sciences for entry into those programs.  It's always up to prospective students to do their due diligence.  Get into a program that is acceptable to them and within budget, etc.  NP is a great option, so are similar fields such as PA.

Here's an example in a related field:  You have almost an entirely online PA (Physician Assistant) program from Yale.  Link: https://medicine.yale.edu/education/paonline/

Here's a community college that offers a MPAS, butt-in-seat for PA: https://www.rrcc.edu/academic-programs/p...-assistant

[turbotortuga]

Online NP programs are in general, terrible.  I precepted many online students and then decided to refuse any more. Often these schools do NOT set up clinicals for you and its all on you which is HARD. Many people just drop out or are forced to pay providers under the table for hours. Its not as simple as just knocking on a door or calling your friend Bob NP to help you out. Go to a local school which at LEAST as hybrid set up.

Trust me, the NP market is saturated because QC has gone downhill and these 100% online programs have run amok. Do you want YOUR MEDICAL provider to train online 100% and set up their own clinical experiences? Hell no.

For-profits like Walden/Kaplan/Capella are to blame as well as not-for-profit state schools trying to get in on the cash cow LIKE UMFK.

Thank me later.

This isn't some bull-sh*t online CBE marketing, liberal studies or business/comm degree where you aren't going to kill anyone half-assing it....this is real, no sh*t serious stuff where you can seriously impact someone's life if you are ill-prepared.

No need to get on your soapbox, my friend. I have seen all of your posts on this topic ad nauseum over the years. To some they may apply, but I have been in military medicine my whole career and this pathway is specifically to commission as a active duty Nurse, so I am not worried about obtaining preceptorship or anything like that. I have many fellow sailors who have already volunteered to preceptor me at my current MTF duty station after I gain admittance. I completely understand your contempt, however in some cases, online is the only pathway if you are stuck overseas for many years serving our country.

[Duneranger]

Online NP programs are in general, terrible.  I precepted many online students and then decided to refuse any more. Often these schools do NOT set up clinicals for you and its all on you which is HARD. Many people just drop out or are forced to pay providers under the table for hours. Its not as simple as just knocking on a door or calling your friend Bob NP to help you out. Go to a local school which at LEAST as hybrid set up.

Trust me, the NP market is saturated because QC has gone downhill and these 100% online programs have run amok. Do you want YOUR MEDICAL provider to train online 100% and set up their own clinical experiences? Hell no.

For-profits like Walden/Kaplan/Capella are to blame as well as not-for-profit state schools trying to get in on the cash cow LIKE UMFK.

Thank me later.

This isn't some bull-sh*t online CBE marketing, liberal studies or business/comm degree where you aren't going to kill anyone half-assing it....this is real, no sh*t serious stuff where you can seriously impact someone's life if you are ill-prepared.

No need to get on your soapbox, my friend. I have seen all of your posts on this topic ad nauseum over the years. To some they may apply, but I have been in military medicine my whole career and this pathway is specifically to commission as a active duty Nurse, so I am not worried about obtaining preceptorship or anything like that. I have many fellow sailors who have already volunteered to preceptor me at my current MTF duty station after I gain admittance. I completely understand your contempt, however in some cases, online is the only pathway if you are stuck overseas for many years serving our country.

I did 15 years as an O in the Army.....please explain more. I spent a lot of that in military medicine and the rest in the "actual" Army.

It's not a soapbox, it's reality.  Don't you see the problem with your friend (s) (a massive conflict of interest) being your preceptor while you take classes on the side and squeeze in clinicals while on AD?

Ad nauseam, oh okay. I mean, this is just something I do every day, so yeah, I am going to have an opinion when I see people half-ass something that directly affects patients.  

Also, just because someone volunteers to precept you, doesn't mean the MTF will allow it. You have to complete a bunch of legal contract paperwork before a site and preceptor are approved... being in the DoD, it's going to be a slog.

There are pipelines for enlisted to become an O/nurse on AD, maybe try looking into that. You get paid and dedicated time to learning your craft.

---

WGU MSN is a bad option if you plan on doing something like CRNA (DNP). You NEED a solid GPA for CRNA school and a standard 3.0 will kill someone's shot. I tell everyone to avoid the MSN at WGU at WGU unless they are SURE they dont want to do anything else in nursing.

DNP is much different from a PhD.

Basically, in short, I agree.  Just using WGU as an example as OP mentioned several that are possible options along with other institutions.  It was the easiest to type...  Anyways, the main thing is, to make sure to get all the prerequisites completed before apply to a Masters or PhD, etc. (plus anything I may have missed in my earlier posts, including GPA).  

Online NP programs are in general, terrible.  I precepted many online students and then decided to refuse any more. Often these schools do NOT set up clinicals for you and its all on you which is HARD. Many people just drop out or are forced to pay providers under the table for hours. Its not as simple as just knocking on a door or calling your friend Bob NP to help you out. Go to a local school which at LEAST as hybrid set up.

Trust me, the NP market is saturated because QC has gone downhill and these 100% online programs have run amok. Do you want YOUR MEDICAL provider to train online 100% and set up their own clinical experiences? Hell no.

For-profits like Walden/Kaplan/Capella are to blame as well as not-for-profit state schools trying to get in on the cash cow LIKE UMFK.

Thank me later.

This isn't some bull-sh*t online CBE marketing, liberal studies or business/comm degree where you aren't going to kill anyone half-assing it....this is real, no sh*t serious stuff where you can seriously impact someone's life if you are ill-prepared.

+1, I agree with this as well, the main thing is to make sure students get all the prerequisites and requirements completed beforehand.  I wouldn't want to be screened or treated by a 5 minute pre-admissions nurse if I ever went to a hospital, I'd like to get a 6 minute nurse instead - one that will ask more questions to make sure processes are followed, that extra minute counts...

Having said that, there are many professional programs now that will take online classes for the hard sciences for entry into those programs.  It's always up to prospective students to do their due diligence.  Get into a program that is acceptable to them and within budget, etc.  NP is a great option, so are similar fields such as PA.

Here's an example in a related field:  You have almost an entirely online PA (Physician Assistant) program from Yale.  Link: https://medicine.yale.edu/education/paonline/

Here's a community college that offers a MPAS, butt-in-seat for PA: https://www.rrcc.edu/academic-programs/p...-assistant

These options are at least hybrid, still subpar but at least you get in-person skill evals.  A lot of NP programs online have ZERO in-person skill validation or teaching.

[turbotortuga]

No need to get on your soapbox, my friend. I have seen all of your posts on this topic ad nauseum over the years. To some they may apply, but I have been in military medicine my whole career and this pathway is specifically to commission as a active duty Nurse, so I am not worried about obtaining preceptorship or anything like that. I have many fellow sailors who have already volunteered to preceptor me at my current MTF duty station after I gain admittance. I completely understand your contempt, however in some cases, online is the only pathway if you are stuck overseas for many years serving our country.

I did 15 years as an O in the Army.....please explain more. I spent a lot of that in military medicine and the rest in the "actual" Army.

It's not a soapbox, it's reality.  Don't you see the problem with your friend (s) (a massive conflict of interest) being your preceptor while you take classes on the side and squeeze in clinicals while on AD?

Ad nauseam, oh okay. I mean, this is just something I do every day, so yeah, I am going to have an opinion when I see people half-ass something that directly affects patients.  

Also, just because someone volunteers to precept you, doesn't mean the MTF will allow it. You have to complete a bunch of legal contract paperwork before a site and preceptor are approved... being in the DoD, it's going to be a slog.

There are pipelines for enlisted to become an O/nurse on AD, maybe try looking into that. You get paid and dedicated time to learning your craft.

I see that you are passionate about patient care and safety. I appreciate and respect that as I am as well. However you constantly come off as belitting and comtemptous of everyone's choices when it has zero to do with you and your own life/choices. Everyone hasn't walked in your shoes and neither have you walked in theirs to understand what they have had to go through to reach the point that they are able to embark on a journey to better themselves and their socioeconomic situation. I'm good with my situation and my pathway and I have secured all of the necessary approvals to move forward, If things change then I will adjust. I appreciate your insight, but I am good thanks.

[Stonybeach]

The secret to avoiding all this pettiness is to focus on aiding the original poster (OP)! RNY is obviously intelligent and gathers opinions and ideas from people with diverse backgrounds and perspectives, which is a good thing overall!