UMPI BABA Project Management with Zero Starting Credits

[ChickenEnjoyer]

Your Location: Switzerland
Your Age: 25
What kind of degree do you want?: A BA or BS in any field that can earn me some ok to good money. I'm open to suggestions. My only criteria: As fast as possible and I'm quite bad with maths ( I can handle some statistics ofc, would just like to not study something that's 60% maths)
Current Regional Accredited Credits: 0

Current ACE, CLEP, or NCCRS Credits: 0

Provider Total Credits: 0

Some additional exam? None

other degrees? Only a highschool diploma

Goal?

I dropped out of Uni for mental health reasons a few years ago, didn't earn any credits, so now I feel better and would like to get a BA or BS.

I'm a fast learner and can study 8 hours a day, 6 days a week and would ideally like to finish my degree in under 6 months and spend less than $7000 (more is okay, if it's the only way).

The Uni needs to accept international students of course, and I need a program that's fully online. I read about Sophia, and would like to use that too.

I do need a degree that's recognized in Europe, as I'd perhaps like to stack a european Master on it later.

I'd be very thankful for even some hints about what I should read into, as the programs on offer are so many, and I'm really not sure which ones are suitable for europeans.

Thank you for any advice and have a great day!

[bjcheung77]

@ChickenEnjoyer, Welcome to the board, that's a good introduction post with most of the details we're looking for. My suggestion is to get a mix/match of the trifecta of certs, degree, experience. Here are options out of many that will fit your budget, energy, time, it really depends on which way you want to go.

1) Do the UMPI BABA with a concentration of your choice, Management & Leadership or Project Management & Info Systems, you can follow the steps on the WIKI to do the Coursera certs and other cheapies/freebies, using these credits towards the UMPI BABA, if you have the extra time, you can ladder that up to UMPI MAOL by taking 3-4 classes that exempt you for 3 classes towards the MAOL.

2) For extra 5 classes or so, do the TESU BACS/BSBA CIS combo, similarly, do the same steps as UMPI as they take some Coursera Certs and cheapies/freebies, you're also going to do pretty much the same Sophia.org credits that go towards both TESU/UMPI anyways. You can decide on what you want to do after the Bachelors, there are others such as the $3K HAU MBA or $4300 MAOL.

3) With the changes done to the Finnish system, you may still be able to get the Metropolia 579 Euro 3/4th of a BSIT degree for amazingly cheap, the downside is it's not going to be fast, you may also get the final year for either free or for a few extra dollars, you're going to decide if you want to take this slower route or not, it may take you the full 3 years vs less than 1 for TESU/UMPI...

[ChickenEnjoyer]

@ChickenEnjoyer, Welcome to the board, that's a good introduction post with most of the details we're looking for.  My suggestion is to get a mix/match of the trifecta of certs, degree, experience.  Here are options out of many that will fit your budget, energy, time, it really depends on which way you want to go.

1) Do the UMPI BABA with a concentration of your choice, Management & Leadership or Project Management & Info Systems, you can follow the steps on the WIKI to do the Coursera certs and other cheapies/freebies, using these credits towards the UMPI BABA, if you have the extra time, you can ladder that up to UMPI MAOL by taking 3-4 classes that exempt you for 3 classes towards the MAOL.

2) For extra 5 classes or so, do the TESU BACS/BSBA CIS combo, similarly, do the same steps as UMPI as they take some Coursera Certs and cheapies/freebies, you're also going to do pretty much the same Sophia.org credits that go towards both TESU/UMPI anyways.  You can decide on what you want to do after the Bachelors, there are others such as the $3K HAU MBA or $4300 MAOL.

3) With the changes done to the Finnish system, you may still be able to get the Metropolia 579 Euro 3/4th of a BSIT degree for amazingly cheap, the downside is it's not going to be fast, you may also get the final year for either free or for a few extra dollars, you're going to decide if you want to take this slower route or not, it may take you the full 3 years vs less than 1 for TESU/UMPI...

Thank you so much for the thorough reply. My number 1 priority really is the speed at which I can complete the Bachelor. I don't mind paying a few grand extra if that cuts the time needed by a few months. What's a realistic timeframe you think I can complete this in? Also, is there any guide on which classes to choose, to find the easiest and fastest ones?

Also, UMPI requires a English language proficiency test for internationals. Do you know about any online option? I only know about slow and expensive options in Europe.

[bjcheung77]

Thank you so much for the thorough reply. My number 1 priority really is the speed at which I can complete the Bachelor. I don't mind paying a few grand extra if that cuts the time needed by a few months. What's a realistic timeframe you think I can complete this in? Also, is there any guide on which classes to choose, to find the easiest and fastest ones?

Also, UMPI requires a English language proficiency test for internationals. Do you know about any online option? I only know about slow and expensive options in Europe.

Here's the UMPI WIKI links, you can review the General Education link and the one for your degree, complete those recommended classes and you should be able to get the degree in less than a year.  I suggest completing the PM&IS option to max the cheapies/freebie and Sophia.org credits.  Link: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:UMPI

UMPI requires either options for verification of English language fluency, you'll just have to go for either of those options.
You can always apply to UMPI and ask them of any other options other than the two provided on the website.
For TESU, they have a different option - English (9 credits transfer): https://www.tesu.edu/admissions/apply-in...al-student

[ChickenEnjoyer]

Thank you so much for the thorough reply. My number 1 priority really is the speed at which I can complete the Bachelor. I don't mind paying a few grand extra if that cuts the time needed by a few months. What's a realistic timeframe you think I can complete this in? Also, is there any guide on which classes to choose, to find the easiest and fastest ones?

Also, UMPI requires a English language proficiency test for internationals. Do you know about any online option? I only know about slow and expensive options in Europe.

Here's the UMPI WIKI links, you can review the General Education link and the one for your degree, complete those recommended classes and you should be able to get the degree in less than a year.  I suggest completing the PM&IS option to max the cheapies/freebie and Sophia.org credits.  Link: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:UMPI

UMPI requires either options for verification of English language fluency, you'll just have to go for either of those options.
You can always apply to UMPI and ask them of any other options other than the two provided on the website.
For TESU, they have a different option - English (9 credits transfer): https://www.tesu.edu/admissions/apply-in...al-student

Thanks a lot again, you're a legend!

I've been deep into research the last days and I think I will do the BBA at UMPI. For English certification I found they accept the $59 Duolingo English Test, which is really awesome.

I can't decide between the Project Management/Information Systems and Marketing speciialization though, do you have any insight on which one is preferable? I'm not sure which one would sound better on my CV or which one is more useful.

Thanks for your insights!

[bjcheung77]

Reports have mentioned M&L is easiest, then PM&IS, Marketing is harder... As I mentioned before, mix/match or balance trifecta of certs, degree, experience, you can use the cheapie/freebie certs for the M&L, PM&IS, or Marketing areas, it may be easier to do the M&L, it really depends on the student, if I was doing this, I would take PM&IS as that's my preference...

[ChickenEnjoyer]

Reports have mentioned M&L is easiest, then PM&IS, Marketing is harder... As I mentioned before, mix/match or balance trifecta of certs, degree, experience, you can use the cheapie/freebie certs for the M&L, PM&IS, or Marketing areas, it may be easier to do the M&L, it really depends on the student, if I was doing this, I would take PM&IS as that's my preference...

Thank you! Is there any resource that lists accepted certs? I don't have any right now.

[LevelUP]

The Anabin website can help to determine which universities are acceptable.

[ChickenEnjoyer]

Hi, thanks to generous advice from bjcheung77 I was able to find the right degree for my needs and situation: UMPI BABA Project Management & Information Systems.

I've made a degree plan on the basis of FM1s work in this recent thread: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-Feedback-Request-on-Degree-Plan-UMPI-BA-in-Project-Management

There is still some unclear things I'd like some advice on, I have commented the open questions in my Google Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...sp=sharing


Main questions are if there is a way to use my mother language german to complete the language requirement faster than with Spanish I, and where I can find the list of courses to choose from for the General Electives Section. I've just copied FM1s courses over and haven't adjusted that part to my needs.

Other than that, I think the best way to get Math 140 is at UMPI directly? I'm quite weak at math, so I'd like to make that as easy as possible for me.

The other smaller questions are to be found in the Google sheet directly.

Thanks so much for your help!

Edit: The IBM and Google Certs seem to require a lot of time. Is it advisable to do them if speed is my first priority? Or are they very useful in the job market? I don't mind spending more money to be done faster.

[LevelUP]

Hi, thanks to generous advice from bjcheung77 I was able to find the right degree for my needs and situation: UMPI BABA Project Management & Information Systems.

I've made a degree plan on the basis of FM1s work in this recent thread: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-Feedback-Request-on-Degree-Plan-UMPI-BA-in-Project-Management

There is still some unclear things I'd like some advice on, I have commented the open questions in my Google Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...sp=sharing


Main questions are if there is a way to use my mother language german to complete the language requirement faster than with Spanish I, and where I can find the list of courses to choose from for the General Electives Section. I've just copied FM1s courses over and haven't adjusted that part to my needs.

Other than that, I think the best way to get Math 140 is at UMPI directly? I'm quite weak at math, so I'd like to make that as easy as possible for me.

The other smaller questions are to be found in the Google sheet directly.

Thanks so much for your help!

You can use ACTFL to do German language exams
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/AC...Languages)