The Duggars and CollegePlus

[topdog98]

I don't use or need CP, but I did read the book authored by the founder of CP. I've seen him promote the book in magazines. You can buy it for $10 on Amazon. It is sold on the CP website. It tells you everything you need to know to earn your college degree by testing out. (The edition I have doesn't mention CP.) What I am getting at is that he is not keeping this process a secret. I think this may be misunderstood. He seems to want people to know about this process. Reading his book is how I came to understand how to do this, so I want to be fair to him.

I've talked to many people about testing for college credit. The reality is that most people lack the confidence and initiative to do what we are doing. Even forming a degree plan and sending them on their way would not be enough for them. CP is for those in high school or just out of high school. Many parents want to to be sure that they are not messing up their child's college education. They want a lot of reassurance and every step laid out for them. Some desire to give their children a Christian education in a college enviroment that they feel is increasingly hostile to Christianity. CP fills that kind of need. There are those here that started with them and gained the confidence that they didn't need them any more. I think that is great.

[Westerner]

If CP provides quicker and more definitive answers, then why are you not with them anymore?

After 1.5 years with them, I had a great foundation and didn't need their services anymore.

If someone were to find out that CP sells free information and would continue to pay for their services based on something I said, I would have to question their sanity and intelligence. It would make absolutely no sense to do that.

See topdog98's post, below.

The reality is that most people lack the confidence and initiative to do what we are doing. Even forming a degree plan and sending them on their way would not be enough for them. CP is for those in high school or just out of high school. Many parents want to to be sure that they are not messing up their child's college education. They want a lot of reassurance and every step laid out for them. Some desire to give their children a Christian education in a college enviroment that they feel is increasingly hostile to Christianity. CP fills that kind of need. There are those here that started with them and gained the confidence that they didn't need them any more. I think that is great.

I'm sorry that a few people don't like to hear common sense, reasoning, and the truth; but that's not going to stop me from speaking my mind and being heard by those who do.

You have an opinion and are entitled to it, but I'm trying to show that there's nothing wrong with seeing a need and filling it, like CP does. Whether or not people use CP is up to them. It's not like CP lies to gullible people to get them to sign up. People do a reasonable amount of research into college, and if they decide CP is the best for them, they'll do it. They may decide they don't need it, and that's fine too. CP's not twisting anyone's arm to get their money!

[sanantone]

After 1.5 years with them, I had a great foundation and didn't need their services anymore.

And you came here even though you said CP offers quicker and more definitive answers.

See topdog98's post, below.

I have an opinion on adults who need a lot of hand holding, but I'll leave it at that. Anyway, CP is not a college and only offers a few courses, so I don't see how they can help much with providing a Christian education in a college environment. Most colleges are not hostile toward Christianity. Most colleges are just secular.

[Westerner]

And you came here even though you said CP offers quicker and more definitive answers.

I came here 1. because I'd heard IC and the SEF were very helpful for DSSTs and 2. to be able to post and help others too. Also, for me, it's not a question of either/or, CP or DF, it's "Thank God I have both!"

I have an opinion on adults who need a lot of hand holding, but I'll leave it at that. Anyway, CP is not a college and only offers a few courses, so I don't see how they can help much with providing a Christian education in a college environment. Most colleges are not hostile toward Christianity. Most colleges are just secular.

So, people have a choice on whether or not they use a secular college, a Christian college, or distance learning and CP. BTW, this is a somewhat related point: since most colleges attack Christian morals, we (and lots of other CP students) chose distance learning as a way to stay out of that environment as much as possible.

See, my parents both graduated from B&M colleges. College-age friends either went to regular colleges, or went straight into work. Our family wanted another option. CP said they could show us how to get a degree through distance learning. But we needed CP to show us how it could be done. If we'd found this Forum then, it wouldn't have been much help at that point because, even with all the great info it contains, we didn't know how to use it then! CP did a world of good for us by showing us how to navigate this process. And I'll let you know that, because of their help, I'm now helping my sisters start the testing-out process the same way CP helped me. Because they showed me how, helped me form study habits, introduced me through their Forums to students with similar goals, showed me great study resources, etc...

My main point is, CP is filling needs. If you can figure out your distance learning degree yourself, great! And if you need extra help, CP is there. To help.

[sanantone]

And people have a choice on whether or not they use a secular college, a Christian college, or distance learning and CP.

I think you missed the point. You can't get much of a Christian education in a college environment with CP, as topdog said, because CP is not a college and does not provide much in the way of courses.

[Westerner]

I think you missed the point. You can't get much of a Christian education in a college environment with CP, as topdog said, because CP is not a college and does not provide much in the way of courses.

Since most colleges attack Christian morals, we (and lots of other CP students) chose distance learning as a way to stay out of that environment as much as possible. For us at least, when we discovered CP, that was our introduction to distance learning! No prior experience! So we needed CP in order for me to get a degree at all.

[sanantone]

Since most colleges attack Christian morals, we (and lots of other CP students) chose distance learning as a way to stay out of that environment as much as possible. For us at least, when we discovered CP, that was our introduction to distance learning! No prior experience! So we needed CP in order for me to get a degree at all.

I doubt that most colleges attack Christian morals and that's not a good reason to choose distance learning because there are Christian colleges. There are several Christian colleges that offer online programs. I believe that CP works with Liberty University (might as well cut the middle man out in this case). Anyway, that still has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

[brucet3]

Since most colleges attack Christian morals, we (and lots of other CP students) chose distance learning as a way to stay out of that environment as much as possible. For us at least, when we discovered CP, that was our introduction to distance learning! No prior experience! So we needed CP in order for me to get a degree at all.

I can't help but wonder if you work for CP. Youre defending it awful hard man :coolgleam: kidding bruv.

Glad it worked for you, but im more glad that your here now.

[mrs.b]

The beautiful thing about this world is that it is full of different types, kinds, shapes, and varieties of people. This is why service industries must spend a lot of time on the front end identifying their target market and figuring out how to reach them, because if they miss the mark, all the people who do not need their services will just shrug and let the business go under, thinking "no loss, who needs their help anyway?" It's business. If you disagree with or find their services useless, it simply means you're not part of their target market. If you agree with their purpose and see the benefit, you are likely part of their target market. Pretty simple.

The fact that they are in business says to me they provide a service to someone somewhere that felt they needed it. Could those same people have done the same searches many of us did and used that $3k somewhere else? Sure! But they either lacked the confidence or resourcefulness to do it on their own, for whatever their own reasons were. Whether you or I agree with it since we were clearly able to accomplish the exact same result without wasting $3,000 is irrelevant. Their customers find a benefit because they spend the $3k and do not turn around and demand refunds when their expectations were not fulfilled. If they were providing a scam service, their reports to BBB and Attorneys General would be through the roof. Yet, their customers applaud the services they offer. So, they must be providing some service someone feels beneficial. You and I do not need to agree, because we are not their market.

It's how service industry works. Some people need specific services, others don't. The ethical or unethical nature of the question is answered by their customers, not their non-customers. Despite disagreements with the two groups, somehow, the planet keeps on spinning and we'll all be okay whether or not College Plus has its doors open.

[Publius]

The beautiful thing about this world is that it is full of different types, kinds, shapes, and varieties of people. This is why service industries must spend a lot of time on the front end identifying their target market and figuring out how to reach them, because if they miss the mark, all the people who do not need their services will just shrug and let the business go under, thinking "no loss, who needs their help anyway?" It's business. If you disagree with or find their services useless, it simply means you're not part of their target market. If you agree with their purpose and see the benefit, you are likely part of their target market. Pretty simple.

The fact that they are in business says to me they provide a service to someone somewhere that felt they needed it. Could those same people have done the same searches many of us did and used that $3k somewhere else? Sure! But they either lacked the confidence or resourcefulness to do it on their own, for whatever their own reasons were. Whether you or I agree with it since we were clearly able to accomplish the exact same result without wasting $3,000 is irrelevant. Their customers find a benefit because they spend the $3k and do not turn around and demand refunds when their expectations were not fulfilled. If they were providing a scam service, their reports to BBB and Attorneys General would be through the roof. Yet, their customers applaud the services they offer. So, they must be providing some service someone feels beneficial. You and I do not need to agree, because we are not their market.

It's how service industry works. Some people need specific services, others don't. The ethical or unethical nature of the question is answered by their customers, not their non-customers. Despite disagreements with the two groups, somehow, the planet keeps on spinning and we'll all be okay whether or not College Plus has its doors open.

Well said. Quite well said. :iagree:

They're like a building contractor. There's lot's of DIY people, and we're basically that DIY college community. Unfortunately, there's still lots of people that could do it themselves, but just don't know or want to. These people aren't wrong per se and or bad, and there's also no reason to HATE CollegePlus or organizations like them.


And, MAN!!! The horse has been dead for a while, and he's still getting beat up... what could he possible be now?!? Call it day folks. ;D If minds were going to be changed, it would of happened already. If future people are to stumble across this, there's really nothing to say that hasn't already been said at least 2-3 times.