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The AbleU Thread - Beta Testers Wanted
#1
Hello Degreeforumers! Hope you're all having a good Christmas Eve! Thanks again to the administration for giving this thread the okay.

To begin with, a little background about myself and my project. I'm a fairly recent Thomas Edison graduate and current graduate student at George Washington University. I went from zero credits to 120 in less than three months using Instantcert, and as much as I enjoyed pounding out a whole degree in the span of a single semester, I came away feeling like the CLEP/DSST model was a bit lacking.

I realized that the vast majority of credit-by-examination tests are targeted for lower-level course work. This makes sense, being that every student should need to take, say, college mathematics, but only a few would need to take Rise and Fall of the Soviet Union. Out of the 79 bachelor's degrees Thomas Edison offers, only 19 can be completed completely online through a combination of TESC courses and examinations. Of those 19, the vast majority of students end up choosing between four: Liberal Arts, Psychology, Social Sciences, and Business Administration - General Management. Why? Simply put, because these degrees can be almost completely, or else completely finished through CLEP, DSST, SL, and so forth. That leaves 75 fairly unobtainable degrees that many would be interested in, but can't earn because of the lack of upper-division coursework available.

Secondly, most students that earn their degrees at Thomas Edison are perhaps-vaguely defined as "non-traditional" students. Oftentimes, these are working adult students returning to school, or even active duty military students stationed abroad. Though CLEP and DSST make leaps and bounds over brick-and-mortar schools in this regard, many students are unable to take time off work to schedule a test, live too far away from a testing center, or may be deployed abroad where CLEP/DSST tests are not available.

That's where AbleU comes in. AbleU meets both of these criteria by offering examinations that are fully online, and count for upper-division coursework. You can take an exam from anywhere in the world at any time, as long as you have access to the internet.

...Or at least, that's the goal.

Right now, we've completed a few examinations that we'd love to have tried and critiqued by you fine folks at Degreeforum. Over the next few weeks, we'll be working with Thomas Edison's in-house academic program review to have our examinations approved for credit at TESC. Student and participant feedback is absolutely critical at this stage, and we'd love your help.



So what's involved?

If you'd like to be a part of the beta test, please send me a private message with your first and last name, and email address, and I'll get back to you with the details as soon as I can. The exams are timed and must be completed in less than an hour, and each exam is 80 questions long. The specific subjects of the exams are Mythology and Folklore and Western Religions.

What's in it for me?

If you'd be willing to complete the beta test and you pass the exam(s), we'll hopefully have the examination you took retroactively approved at some point in the future so you can use the exams for upper-division credits towards your degree.* If you've already graduated, or you're just happy to help in the furtherance of accessible college education, then that's great too. The beta testing is completely free -- and we'll also waive a transcript fee if you want to send your exam scores somewhere later on.

Special note: If you hold a terminal degree (i.e, PhD) in a humanities or humanities-related subject, we would love your help assessing specific examination questions. Please feel free to send me a private message.

In the meantime, you can check out our website at: http://www.ableu.org/




Thanks again everyone! This forum was extremely helpful to me when I was earning my bachelor's degree, and I hope this project can do some good in returning the favor. Smile

Have a great Christmas,
-Peter



(*In compliance with state law, earning college-level credit is contingent on 1) passing the exam with an acceptable score, 2) The program review approves the exams for credit at TESC, and 3) The program review allows us to retroactively assign credit.)
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#2
I'm interested in taking the Mythology exam but cannot find where to register. When do you think you'll receive ACE/NCCRS approval?
BA in History, TESC, Graduated September 2010
MA in History, American Public University, currently pursuing
Virginia teaching license, currently pursuing

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#3
Thank you for taking the initiative to offer more options to non-traditional students. While making test-out plans for various degrees at TESC, I noticed that one could almost completely test out of a humanities degree. I see on your website that you offer Intro to Logic in addition to the two tests listed in this thread. Do you plan on offering anything outside of humanities? I guess I might be interested in taking Western Religions, but there will probably be a lot of overlap with the Intro to Religion (UL) course I used for my degree. There is also a DSST for Intro to World Religions (UL) and a Straighterline course for Intro to Religion. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. If I make a decision, I'll send you a pm.
Graduate of Not VUL or ENEB
MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
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#4
IrishJohn Wrote:I'm interested in taking the Mythology exam but cannot find where to register. When do you think you'll receive ACE/NCCRS approval?

Hi IrishJohn,

I have the registration page down currently, but for the time being, if you PM me your first and last name and email address, I'll manually create an account for you.

ACE/NCRRS approval is our ultimate goal, but that may be a ways in coming. For the sake of pure speculation and nothing more, we'll be pursuing that avenue in anywhere from four to six months. For the time being, our main focus is Thomas Edison's academic program review, which upon approval, would put these examinations on par with FEMA units.

sanantone Wrote:Thank you for taking the initiative to offer more options to non-traditional students. While making test-out plans for various degrees at TESC, I noticed that one could almost completely test out of a humanities degree. I see on your website that you offer Intro to Logic in addition to the two tests listed in this thread. Do you plan on offering anything outside of humanities? I guess I might be interested in taking Western Religions, but there will probably be a lot of overlap with the Intro to Religion (UL) course I used for my degree. There is also a DSST for Intro to World Religions (UL) and a Straighterline course for Intro to Religion. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. If I make a decision, I'll send you a pm.

You are correct, and this is a large part of the reason why we decided to start with humanities and history first. After that, we'll be working on upper division tests for natural sciences, mathematics, and criminal justice.

There probably will be some overlap, though it's worth mentioning that the DSST Intro to World Religions is transferred to TESC as REL-405, whereas the Western Religions TESC course is designated as separate from Intro (REL-407).

Thanks, and have a great Christmas everyone!
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#5
Peter,

This is great, thank you for your dedication to non-traditional education. I hope this venture is successful and I hope you always keep in touch with your customer base. Remember to learn from the missteps of others (like SL). If in the future you have to make changes please keep your customers informed and don't blindside them with almost instant changes.
Also, a small reminder... educational institutes offer proctoring for a minimal fee and the coordination is done by the student, keep this option open for students who don't want to relinquish momentary access to their computers to an online proctoring service.

I'll PM you to sign up.

Thanks,
Bldclot2
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#6
AbleU Wrote:I have the registration page down currently, but for the time being, if you PM me your first and last name and email address, I'll manually create an account for you.

PM sent, thanks.

Quote:ACE/NCRRS approval is our ultimate goal, but that may be a ways in coming. For the sake of pure speculation and nothing more, we'll be pursuing that avenue in anywhere from four to six months. For the time being, our main focus is Thomas Edison's academic program review, which upon approval, would put these examinations on par with FEMA units.

I'm not sure I understand what "Thomas Edison's academic program review" is. FEMA credits have ACE approval, what review did TESC give these courses? I'm okay with trying one exam out to help with beta testing (I really like seeing these alternatives flourish) but am not sure I really want to spend much time on others until I see some movement on getting them accreditated somehow.

Quote:You are correct, and this is a large part of the reason why we decided to start with humanities and history first. After that, we'll be working on upper division tests for natural sciences, mathematics, and criminal justice.

Interesting. Saylor.org has some history courses I'd be interested in, from Latin American history to Asian to ancient Greece & Rome. Are you planning exams for these subjects?

Quote:There probably will be some overlap, though it's worth mentioning that the DSST Intro to World Religions is transferred to TESC as REL-405, whereas the Western Religions TESC course is designated as separate from Intro (REL-407).

Now this IS interesting. I look forward to seeing how this develops.
BA in History, TESC, Graduated September 2010
MA in History, American Public University, currently pursuing
Virginia teaching license, currently pursuing

Check out Degree Forum Wiki for more information on putting together your own degree plan!

My BA History degree plan.
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#7
According to the website, they are not requiring proctoring which leads me to......What was TESC's reaction to a test done at home non-proctored, open book, and without a lockdown browser? I know they were accepting of Straighterline before they required proctoring, but Straighterline has a series of quizzes and tests and it's more of an online class. I think I'll try the beta test. I'm curious to know if 60 min. for 80 questions (45 seconds per question) is enough.

FEMA Independent Study courses from the Emergency Management Institute are not ACE approved. TESC reviewed them for credit. All of the ACE approved FEMA courses are done face-to-face.
Graduate of Not VUL or ENEB
MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
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#8
What an excellent idea! Thank you Peter!

Are these Pass/Fail exams or will TESC give a letter grade?

I sent a PM.
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#9
rvm Wrote:What an excellent idea! Thank you Peter!

Are these Pass/Fail exams or will TESC give a letter grade?

I sent a PM.

TESC doesn't give anything a letter grade that you transfer over to them. You only get a letter grade for courses taken at TESC.
BA in History, TESC, Graduated September 2010
MA in History, American Public University, currently pursuing
Virginia teaching license, currently pursuing

Check out Degree Forum Wiki for more information on putting together your own degree plan!

My BA History degree plan.
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#10
Thanks John! Seems like that was discussed in thread. My memory must have flown south for Christmas break.
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