TESC - BA CS, BSAST IT, or BSBA CIS???

[mbar]

Greetings,

I've been lurking these forums (and others) trying to make a decision on which TESC degree to pursue. I was hoping someone could generously aid me as I feel I've exhausted a reasonable amount of resources. On top of that I'm becoming overwhelmed with the enormous pool of information out there. banghead

I'm looking at the BA Computer Science, BSAST Information Technology, and BSBA Computer Information Systems from Thomas Edison State College. I'm to a point where I'd like to finish as quickly (and frugally) as possible. I currently have an A.S Information Technology degree from UMass Lowell. A list of completed courses is found towards the bottom of this post. Just from lurking here I've learned that there are numerous resources for testing out (CLEP, TECEP, TEEX, DSST, ALEKS, FEMA to name a few), but I just don't know which I'll be taking advantage of.

Should I just pay and apply to all 3? Is there any way I can unofficially audit the below courses with TESC to get a degree plan?

Given the below courses which degree do you think would be most easily attained?

Edinboro University
CSCI 104 Essential Computing I
MATH 104 Finite Math
FREN 101 First Course in French
CRIM 340 Criminal Investigation
CRIM 330 Intro to Policing
CRIM 310 Intro to Corrections
CRIM 200 Intro to Criminal Justice
THEA 218 Intro to Theatre
SOC 100 Principles of Sociology

Penn State University
42 101 College Writing I
COMM 100 Sociology of Mass Media

University of Massachusetts: Lowell
42.101 College Writing II
43.105 Western Civilization I
42.224 Business Writing

90.160 Intro to Information Systems
90.267 C Programming
90.321 Linux/Unix Systems Administration
90.385 Intro to Information Systems
90.457 Network Security
90.461 LAN/WAN Technologies
90.462 TCP/IP & Network Architecture

92.120 Precalculus Mathematics I
92.283 Introduction to Statistics
49.201 Economics I
49.202 Economics II


Thank you for taking the time to read all of this, and for any help you may be able to offer.

[sanantone]

Did you want to apply to all of the Big 3, or did you just want to see how your credits will fit in all 3 degree plans? All you have to do is pay the application fee and send in your transcripts for evaluation toward one degree program. After the evaluation, you can use the "what-if" feature in Online Student Services to see how your credits will fit in the other degree plans.

You can mostly test out of the BSBA in CIS, but you have to consider what you want to use your degree for. A business degree with a concentration in computer information systems is not going to be as marketable on the IT job market as a computer science or information technology major. The BA in Computer Science, strangely, will be your next easiest option. The BSAST in Information Technology requires 45 information technology credits and physics I and II with lab or chemistry I and II with lab. The BA in Computer Science only requires 33 credits in computer science leaving a lot of room for free electives, and you don't have to worry about taking science courses with labs. Computer science is also more flexible than information technology when it comes to jobs.

[publius2k4]

Greetings,

I've been lurking these forums (and others) trying to make a decision on which TESC degree to pursue. I was hoping someone could generously aid me as I feel I've exhausted a reasonable amount of resources. On top of that I'm becoming overwhelmed with the enormous pool of information out there. banghead

I'm looking at the BA Computer Science, BSAST Information Technology, and BSBA Computer Information Systems from Thomas Edison State College. I'm to a point where I'd like to finish as quickly (and frugally) as possible. I currently have an A.S Information Technology degree from UMass Lowell. A list of completed courses is found towards the bottom of this post. Just from lurking here I've learned that there are numerous resources for testing out (CLEP, TECEP, TEEX, DSST, ALEKS, FEMA to name a few), but I just don't know which I'll be taking advantage of.

Should I just pay and apply to all 3? Is there any way I can unofficially audit the below courses with TESC to get a degree plan?

Given the below courses which degree do you think would be most easily attained?

Edinboro University
CSCI 104 Essential Computing I
MATH 104 Finite Math
FREN 101 First Course in French
CRIM 340 Criminal Investigation
CRIM 330 Intro to Policing
CRIM 310 Intro to Corrections
CRIM 200 Intro to Criminal Justice
THEA 218 Intro to Theatre
SOC 100 Principles of Sociology

Penn State University
42 101 College Writing I
COMM 100 Sociology of Mass Media

University of Massachusetts: Lowell
42.101 College Writing II
43.105 Western Civilization I
42.224 Business Writing

90.160 Intro to Information Systems
90.267 C Programming
90.321 Linux/Unix Systems Administration
90.385 Intro to Information Systems
90.457 Network Security
90.461 LAN/WAN Technologies
90.462 TCP/IP & Network Architecture

92.120 Precalculus Mathematics I
92.283 Introduction to Statistics
49.201 Economics I
49.202 Economics II


Thank you for taking the time to read all of this, and for any help you may be able to offer.

I'd say an individualized studies degree at COSC would fit this real well. You could pick your two concentrations as being Criminal Justice and IT. It would be pretty easy to rationalize why these two subject areas are related.

[mbar]

I wanted to apply to just TESC. That's great news about the what-if scenario. I was figuring I would have to pay per scenario.

I was heavily leaning towards the BA in Computer Science. This sounds like the icing on the cake for me here. Thank you for providing that valuable insight. I'm going to spend some serious time tonight getting things together, and even creating a mock outline.

Thanks again!

[mbar]

The thought certainly crossed my mind, but I really don't have the fire for CJ anymore. Additionally I'm bound by what my employer feels pertinent to the interests of the company. I think it would be difficult to sell that route.

Does TESC still take select FEMA courses as credit? I was wondering if I could use a few for free electives.

Ps: I applied. Transcripts sent! Awaiting a response Thank you for the help!

[AlbaTiVo]

Here are the FEMA courses they accept.

[KayV]

This is not a degree with which I'm very familiar, but here's a go at what you would need for a BA in Computer Science at TESC. I ran your courses through the PLA search and came up with this. For the courses you still need, I listed the exams I know about, but there are many people who know much more than I do about CS here.

Good luck!

TESC Bachelor of Arts Computer Science
I. General Education Requirements
A. Intellectual and Practical Skills (15)
1. 42 101 College Writing I ENC- 101
2. 42.101 College Writing II ENC-102
3. NEED Calculus I (CLEP/ Straighterline/ Saylor)
4. NEED Calculus II (Straighterline)
5. MATH 104 Finite Math MAT-199

B. Human Cultures and the Physical and Natural World (18)
1. FREN 101 First Course in French FRE-101
2. 43.105 Western Civilization I HIS-101
3. CSCI 104 Essential Computing I COS-101
4. THEA 218 Intro to Theatre THA-101
5. COMM 100 Sociology of Mass Media COM-199
6. 42.224 Business Writing ENG-216

C. Personal and Social Responsibility (9)
1. SOC 100 Principles of Sociology SOC-101
2. NEED SL/DSST Intro to Anthropology or Human Cultural Geography
3. NEED DSST Ethics in America or SL Business Ethics

D. General Education Electives (18)
1. 92.120 Precalculus Mathematics I MAT-129
2. 92.283 Introduction to Statistics STA-201
3. 49.201 Economics I ECO-111
4. 49.202 Economics II ECO-112
5. 90.267 C Programming CMP-116
6. 90.321 Linux/Unix Systems Administration CAP-273

E. Area of Study: Computer Science (33)(18 UL)
1. 90.160 Intro to Information Systems CIS-102
2. NEED Data Structures COS-241
3. NEED Discrete Math MAT-270
4. NEED Linear Algebra MAT-321 3UL*
5. NEED LIB-495 Liberal Arts Capstone 3UL*
6. 90.385 Intro to Information Security CIS-344 3UL*
7. 90.457 Network Security CAP-385 3UL*
8. 90.461 LAN/WAN Technologies CAP-299
9. 90.462 TCP/IP & Network Architecture CAP-280
10. NEED DSST Management Information Systems CIS-301 3UL*
11. NEED TECEP Network Technology CMP-354 3UL*

F. Free Electives (need 15 more)
CRIM 340 Criminal Investigation AOJ-199
CRIM 330 Intro to Policing AOJ-101
CRIM 310 Intro to Corrections AOJ-111
CRIM 200 Intro to Criminal Justice AOJ-102

NEED 15 hours of FEMA or any other credit hours (which might be fewer if you have more than 3 hours in any of the above courses)

[mbar]

Wow thank you. That is incredible. I'll give it a thorough look when I get home from work!

[mbar]

Here is a nice cleaned up excel sheet in an HTML table if you don't want to sift through the mess below: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?...utput=html

Well my assessment is in. I've added it to the bottom of this post. I tried to clean it up a bit for readability. I'm pretty happy with the results. I'm disappointed that 90.385 Intro to Information Security and 90.461 Lan Wan Technologies were counted as free electives instead of Computer Science electives.

I'm finishing up the following 5 courses for my AS IT @ Umass:
Business Writing
Western Civ I
Macroeconomics II
Linux/Unix System Administration
Network Security

I wonder if they will take those last two as CS electives?




BA General Education (60 SH)
A: Intellectual Skills (In Progress)
ENC-101 (Completed)
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #
2.. ENGL015 Rhetoric & Comp.......... 3.00 ENC-101
ENC-102 (Writing Intensive) (Completed)
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #
1.. 42102 College Writing.......... 3.00 ENC-102
Calculus I (Not Started)
_________________________________________________ 3 credits
Calculus II (Not Started)
_________________________________________________ 3 credits
Intellectual and Practical Skills (Completed)
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #
1.. 92120 Precalculus Mathematics I 3.00 MAT-121

B: Responsibility (In Progress)
Diversity or Global Literacy; (Completed)
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #
3.. SOC100 Principles of Sociology.. 3.00 SOC-101
Responsible Ethical Leadership; (Not Started)
__________________________________________________ 3 credits
Personal and Social Responsibility Elective (Not Started)
__________________________________________________ 3 credits
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #

C: Human Cultures (Completed)
Humanities (Completed)
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #
3.. FREN101 First Course in French... 3.00 FRE-101
Social Sciences (Completed)
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #
1.. 49201 Economics I (microeconomi 3.00 ECO-112
Natural Sciences (Completed)
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #
3.. CSCI104 Essential Computing I.... 3.00 CIS-107
Interdisciplinary (Completed)

Semester Hours Completed: 9.00
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #
3.. CRIM310 Intro to Corrections..... 3.00 AOJ-111
3.. MATH104 Finite Math.............. 3.00 MAT-110
3.. THEA218 Intro to Theatre......... 3.00 THA-101

D: General Ed Electives (Completed)
> Electives.
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #
3.. PSYC101 Gen Psychology........... 3.00 PSY-101
3.. HIST102 World Civiliz 2.......... 3.00 HIS-102
3.. CRIM200 Intro to Cj.............. 3.00 AOJ-102
2.. COMM100 Mass Media & Soc......... 3.00 COM-120
1.. 92283 Introduction to Statistic 3.00 STA-201
3.. GEOS310 Intro Oceanograph........ 3.00 GEO-360
===================================================================
Area of Study (15SH must be at 300/400 level)
A: Intro Computer Sci (Not Started)
> Complete one Introduction to Computer Science course.
________________________________________________ 3 credits

B: Data Structures (Not Started)
> Complete one Data Structures course.
_________________________________________________ 3 credits

C: Math Requirement (Not Started)
> Complete ONE of the following courses to satisfy the Math
> requirement: Discrete Math, Linear Algebra (Calculus
> Based), Discrete Structures
_________________________________________________ 3 credits

D: Compt Sci Elec 21 SH (In Progress)
> **At least 15 of the 30 credits required within the entire
> Area of Study must be at the 300/400 level.**
Semester Hours Completed: 9.00
Group 1 (In Progress)
Semester Hours Completed: 6.00 Required: 9 Remaining: 3
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #
1.. 90462 Network Arch and Tcp..... 3.00 CAP-302
1.. 90160 Intro to Inform Systems.. 3.00 CIS-301
_________________________________________________ 3 credits

Group 2 (In Progress)
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #
1.. 90267 C Programming............ 3.00 COS-116
_________________________________________________ 3 credits
_________________________________________________ 3 credits
_________________________________________________ 3 credits
================================================================================
Liberal Arts Capstone (3 SH)
> Complete course LIB-495 Liberal Arts Capstone for 3
> semester hours (SH).
Src Course # Title S.H. TESC # Notes
___ LIB-495___ _________________________ ______________________ 1 course needed
================================================================================
BA Free Electives (27 SH)
> Complete 27 semester hours of Free Electives.
Semester Hours Completed: 16.50 Required: 27 Remaining: 10.5

Src Course # Title S.H. TESC #
1.. 90385 Intro to Information Secu 3.00 CIS-344
3.. CRIM330 Policing Intro........... 3.00 AOJ-244
1.. 90461 Lan Wan Tech............. 3.00 CIS-343
3.. CRIM340 Crim Invest.............. 3.00 AOJ-142
3.. HPE118 Wellness Golf............ 3.00 PEA-199
2.. KINES097 Flag Football............ 1.50 PEA-199
_____________________________________________________________________ 3 credits
_____________________________________________________________________ 3 credits
_____________________________________________________________________ 3 credits
___________________________________________________________________ 1.5 credits

[mbar]

Link to degree plan: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?...utput=html

I've decided on the BA in Computer Science.

Could anyone tell me why this course does not transfer to CMP-354?? The first line of each descriptions: "Provides students with the fundamental
concepts of data communications." and "This course discusses basic data communication concepts" are so similar.


Upon completion, could Business Writing or Western Civilization I count for Responsible Ethical Leadership or Other Ethics or Diversity requirements?