Please help check over my degree plan for TESU

[jsd]

The tests are faster, easier, and worth more credit. If you sign up for Instantcert and go to the Specific Exam Feedback thread, you will find a more focused outline that will help you to be able to take multiple CLEPs a week. I take multiple tests a week, and it is a thing well within the ability of 95% of people.

Also your degree plan is flat out wrong in some areas. Here's a better one. Know ALL your options :

Sanantone's TESU General Education Options After July 1, 2015 | Degree Forum Wiki | Fandom powered by Wikia

Plus some posters have been deliberately mis representing the value of CLEPs. At TESU there are 10 CLEPs worth 6 credits and three CLEPs worth 9 credits.

CLEP - College-Level Exam Program

But if we pretend they're all worth 3 credits, then that makes the alternative a little less unattractive, right?

What an odd post. I don't see anyone intentionally misrepresenting how many credits CLEPs are worth. And then being worth extra doesn't mean much if those extra spillover credits don't fit in your plan.

That being said, CLEP exams are good options of you like that route. "Easier" is subjective, they might be easier for you, or you might like a shell course like Study.com or SL that gives you an easy way to rack up points and guarantee a pass even if you fail the exam (though since what you need to study is spoon-fed to you, unlike CLEP, it's less likely you'd fail anyway). Or that might be too cumbersome and you're a fine test taker so you'd rather go CLEP. It's subjective.

I personally prefer testing at home and not going through the pain of a proctor center, plus most (certainly not all) alternatives are a bit cheaper when you account for CLEP proctor fees and such.

It's personal preference.

[Ars457123]

There was nothing about my post that was odd. What is 'odd' is that it took to the 20th post for someone to tell the OP that he had a mistake. A&I literature and English Comp are six credits; should have been the first thing people wrote, but how will that help study.com, our number one priority? What's also odd is that every post about CLEP is talked down to such an extent that people aren't even allowed to name CLEP tests as an alternative without a group of the same posters coming and going on about the corporate online classes being so easy and convenient with the ham-fisted and heavy implication that CLEPs are not--like how would you even know! Your sig has where you earned the credits for and I don't see CLEP anywhere.

Is that why you were sneering "convenient" at that poor girl who wanted some help? Afraid it would cut into your market share?

[dfrecore]

There was nothing about my post that was odd. What is 'odd' is that it took to the 20th post for someone to tell the OP that he had a mistake. A&I literature and English Comp are six credits; should have been the first thing people wrote, but how will that help study.com, our number one priority? What's also odd is that every post about CLEP is talked down to such an extent that people aren't even allowed to name CLEP tests as an alternative without a group of the same posters coming and going on about the corporate online classes being so easy and convenient with the ham-fisted and heavy implication that CLEPs are not--like how would you even know! Your sig has where you earned the credits for and I don't see CLEP anywhere.

Is that why you were sneering "convenient" at that poor girl who wanted some help? Afraid it would cut into your market share?

Wow. That's odd. Not sure what your deal is.

I have taken CLEP tests, and not a single Study.com course, so you can't accuse me of anything in that regards. I personally like the convenience of taking courses and exams from home. When I was doing most of my courses, I was homeschooling 2 kids, so it was almost impossible for me to get away to do a CLEP or DSST exam. The testing center was a 45-min drive away, only offered exams at 10am or 2pm, and you couldn't test if someone else had signed up to take an exam. So it might be more than a week before you could schedule an appointment. Then after driving 45 minutes, parking in a lot in a sketchy part of town, walking ½ mile across campus, and dealing with the testing center admins, I could take a SINGLE exam. IF I finished in a decent amount of time, I was allowed to take another. But I couldn't make arrangements to do that ahead of time. "Not convenient" is a pretty decent way to describe my personal experience there.

Some people are test-phobic. Some people don't test well in general. Some people don't live near a testing center. Some can't get away in the middle of the day to test. There are a multitude of reasons why testing is NOT for everyone. I personally am a night person, so I really like testing from home after 10pm when everyone is asleep. That's when my brain is working well and I am energized. Definitely not at 10am.

Oh yeah, and the CLEP's you say are worth 9cr each - are all in Foreign Languages. As if that was going to be an easy route for everyone to do! But when someone comes on here and says they're fluent in a foreign language, we ALWAYS tell them to CLEP (and other things) to get credit. You can't beat 9cr for $80 with a stick. But it's certainly not what I'm going to tell someone who has never studied anything other than English, that's ridiculous.

Some of us have thousands of posts, while you have 13. You're not exactly an expert on here. I'm not sure why you CARE which options we give people. It's not like you personally lose money when someone decides not to take a CLEP exam. So why the attack?

[jsd]

lol, no wonder your post comes across so odd -- you're a person with a chip on their shoulder who is also misinformed/has some misconceptions about the person they're addressing. never a good look.

You're trying to throw a lot out here, so i'll try to break it down as much as I can so I address your points.

There was nothing about my post that was odd. What is 'odd' is that it took to the 20th post for someone to tell the OP that he had a mistake. A&I literature and English Comp are six credits; should have been the first thing people wrote,

That's the nature of a forum. Not every person has every source memorized, everyone credit value at the tip of their mind, nor is obligated to respond to every single point. I only skimmed the op and jumped in because bjcheung77 mentioned me by name, referring to my degree plan for which there are about to be better options for. It was relevant.

but how will that help study.com, our number one priority?

Heaven forbid anyone have a preference that is not the same as your own. many people, like you, enjoy CLEP exams. Many people enjoy other options. You don't have to take it as a personal affront that people have a different opinion than you.

What's also odd is that every post about CLEP is talked down to such an extent that people aren't even allowed to name CLEP tests as an alternative without a group of the same posters coming and going on about the corporate online classes being so easy and convenient with the ham-fisted and heavy implication that CLEPs are not

Where in the world are you seeing this? People like different options for different reasons. That's why we always include CLEP or DSST in the list of every other alternative we know when we build degree plans and such. Someone giving their reasoning for their preference is not an attack on the option they don't prefer. You and many people prefer CLEP and this forum is very CLEP-focused. You might consider spending more time here to get familiar with the community.

like how would you even know! Your sig has where you earned the credits for and I don't see CLEP anywhere.

I've never taken a CLEP exam, and since I have all of the alternative credit I need at this point, I can't see why I ever would going forward. And I've given my reasoning for this in this very thread -- It's more convenient, cheaper, and the focused nature of the studying is better for my particular style of learning. I don't want to wing the study material on my own. That being said, other than my personal preference, I have never said CLEP is a bad option in general. It's just not one I would use. But I have often given it as a great option for people who prefer that route, and have never spoken poorly of people who works better for. I would have been much more willing to take CLEP exams if they allowed for home-proctoring. The closest proctor centers to me are not very close at all, are expensive, and the three times I've used 2 of them for three separate industy certification exams (where home proctoring wasn't an option), the experience was trash. If your proctor center is close and you have good experiences with them, that's a great option... for you.

Is that why you were sneering "convenient" at that poor girl who wanted some help?

You misread this, obviously. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since that thread reads funny since KayV deleted his post and it throws off the reading. But in the original context of the thread, I was replying to how convenient it was that user David Vise was using the girl's question to tee off his stupid spam link. David Vise has spammed this forum before, and it's fair if you're not familiar with this, I don't expect you to have read every spam post ever made around here. KayV's post initially had that context.

Afraid it would cut into your market share?

So which company do you think I work for? That's a long con, seeing how involved I've been with this community, maintaining the wiki, posting here regularly, and giving constant options from various sources. Do I work for all of them? I can't wait for my paycheck, sounds like it will be huge.

In this thread alone I've suggested three separate institutions. My degree plan mentioned at the beginning of this thread mentions over a dozen institutions (including CLEP which apparently is the only one we should ever mention). My most recent posts these days have been very heavy on recommending WGU. Have they hired me? In the past I was big into TorCC/Davar, but am a little sour on them currently after they had a rep come spam the forum last week. Did they fire me? I've had good experiences with Study.com, so I recommend them highly. Did they hire me because I liked the three courses I took with them?

If you have spent any time following my post history here, it's pretty clear I'm not a paid shill for some big alternative credit cabal, and the implication is laughable. That being said, if any of these companies want to pay me for all of free recommendations i've been making, i'm all ears (and ready to cash my check).

Now if you excuse me, I have to go put the time i spent typing this post onto my ACE time-sheet. $$$

[Ars457123]

Wow. That's odd. Not sure what your deal is.

It's the same deal as you, except in reverse and ethical. I may have only thirteen posts, but I have been here long before you. Your tiresome appeal to authority is misplaced and rejected.

Despite that infomercial garbage you wrote(sketchy part of town, lol), you can find people who had the same obligations you had and more, still did CLEPs and graduated in a fraction of the time. This is also part of my 'deal'- the overwrought, hyperbolic, and frankly shrill warnings away from CLEP that completely misrepresent the process.

I agree, some people are test-phobic. So everyone should be assumed to be exactly that and everything else should be not written about at all. Wouldn't want adults to have all the info to make their own informed choice, like jsd's post above, that championed spoon-feeding.

You're absolutely right about one thing, though. How DARE I suggest that anyone take a foreign Language CLEP! Since you personally have determined that's it's hard, no one should ever be offered it, regardless of that individual's history. Just more nonsense from you. I remember when this board was excited over the NYU language tests; standards have fallen. BTW, since, more people are taking longer to finish(70 credits in a year for someone with a full time job is slow) They could learn the language from zero and still get those nine credits.

[jsd]

wow, so now dfrecore is a paid ACE credit cabal shill too. I thought I saw her at some of the meetings! Thank you for your 4 years of service to the corporate cause, dfrecore.

this person is clearly delusional. first attacks us for providing too many options, then whines because we don't offer enough options such as CLEP language, even though the post they were replying to was about how we often DO recommend CLEP language when appropriate. Just like their initial point was how much easier CLEP was than the rest, but they're now criticizing me for preferring an easier option. All over the map now with no cohesive, coherent point. That big ol' shoulder chip must have grown, because now their judgment is even worse.

I'm kind of looking forward to future posts, to see if it's even possible for this to get any sillier.

[Ars457123]

lol, no wonder your post comes across so odd -- you're a person with a chip on their shoulder who is also misinformed/has some misconceptions about the person they're addressing. never a good look.

Not half as odd as you come across, I'm sure.

That's the nature of a forum. Not every person has every source memorized, everyone credit value at the tip of their mind, nor is obligated to respond to every single point. I only skimmed the op and jumped in because bjcheung77 mentioned me by name, referring to my degree plan for which there are about to be better options for. It was relevant."

Skimming is the nature of the forum? LOL, right back at you. You don't have to have every source memorized to know about the Gen Ed., that's basic knowledge. And you jump in with the same posts for everyone, except, of course, for when you're attacking little girls.

Heaven forbid anyone have a preference that is not the same as your own. many people, like you, enjoy CLEP exams. Many people enjoy other options. You don't have to take it as a personal affront that people have a different opinion than you."

That's my line. I write in my posts that before you sign up with the corporate online courses, take advantage of the free trial. I can say that since I've taken some. That's reasonable and balanced. Your going on and on about failing and how it's so hard having never taken one CLEP is unreasonable and imbalanced.

Where in the world are you seeing this? People like different options for different reasons. That's why we always include CLEP or DSST in the list of every other alternative we know when we build degree plans and such. Someone giving their reasoning for their preference is not an attack on the option they don't prefer. You and many people prefer CLEP and this forum is very CLEP-focused. You might consider spending more time here to get familiar with the community."

I'm seeing it in this thread and others! Answer this question and I'll back down forever- Do you think that someone going to the extent of lecturing about something they have no experience in is reasonable? Yes or no? Baseless reasoning may not be an attack, but it's flat out wrong. And who the heck is "we"? Don't pretend like I'm referring to everyone, it's cowardly. Also, I've been on these forums longer than you have, so maybe YOU ought to spend more time familiarizing yourself with the community.

I've never taken a CLEP exam"

I stopped reading this paragraph here. There's nothing more to say.

You misread this, obviously. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since that thread reads funny since KayV deleted his post and it throws off the reading. But in the original context of the thread, I was replying to how convenient it was that user David Vise was using the girl's question to tee off his stupid spam link. David Vise has spammed this forum before, and it's fair if you're not familiar with this, I don't expect you to have read every spam post ever made around here. KayV's post initially had that context."

Nonsense, I didn't misread a thing. I read KayV's post and you were echoing it. You were very much implying that they were in it together, that much is clear; that's why the mom had to come and tell you off. David Vise's post was much less spam than what you write on a daily basis. You just didn't like that he gave her an option that you didn't approve of(we all know why)

Now if you excuse me, I have to go put the time i spent typing this post onto my ACE time-sheet. $$$

I'm sure you will.

[Ars457123]

wow, so now dfrecore is a paid ACE credit cabal shill too. I thought I saw her at some of the meetings! Thank you for your 4 years of service to the corporate cause, dfrecore.

this person is clearly delusional. first attacks us for providing too many options, then whines because we don't offer enough options such as CLEP language, even though the post they were replying to was about how we often DO recommend CLEP language when appropriate. Just like their initial point was how much easier CLEP was than the rest, but they're now criticizing me for preferring an easier option. All over the map now with no cohesive, coherent point. That big ol' shoulder chip must have grown, because now their judgment is even worse.

I'm kind of looking forward to future posts, to see if it's even possible for this to get any sillier.

You can't read, I never attacked you for providing too many options. Never! That only exists inside your head.

[Ars457123]

Also, IT'S NOT UP TO YOU TO DETERMINE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE. I know it's hard for people like you to understand, but you're NOT dealing with children. Put everything on the table properly and let the adults and teens figure it out for themselves. How many people don't mention that they have certain skills, because they don't know what's available. And jsd, you deliberately left out the part where I said that people starting from zero could take a language test, if they want to. It's not up to you to deem it inappropriate or not!

[jsd]

Not half as odd as you come across, I'm sure.

Ah, so you lack self-awareness.

Skimming is the nature of the forum?

I said I skimmed the initial post, I didn't say that skimming is the nature of the forum. It may or may not be, I don't know other's habits. What I said was the nature of the forum was that no one is obligated to reply to every specific point brought up, and sometimes other issues are discussed in response to what is posted. That's pretty obvious, and your childish showing right now is a good example of how things aren't always on topic, for better or for worse.

You don't have to have every source memorized to know about the Gen Ed., that's basic knowledge. And you jump in with the same posts for everyone,

No idea what you're saying here. Yes, I jump into a lot of posts, I'm an active member here.

except, of course, for when you're attacking little girls.

Somehow I doubt "David Vise" is a "little girl" paid to spam this forum. Unless you're implying you are a little girl and I'm "attacking" you, but I also find this claim dubious.

That's my line. I write in my posts that before you sign up with the corporate online courses, take advantage of the free trial. I can say that since I've taken some.

No one would argue this, it's also not what you've been suggesting here, though.

That's reasonable and balanced.

lol.

Your going on and on about failing and how it's so hard having never taken one CLEP is unreasonable and imbalanced.

I have not once stated CLEP is "hard." I've said over and over again that it's a great option for many people, but that for me, personally, other options are much more convenient and easier for my, personal, learning style.

I'm seeing it in this thread and others!

No one here has said anythign bad about CLEP. Some people have given their preference for other options, no one has said CLEP is a bad option, however. Re-read the thread but focus on retention of information.

Answer this question and I'll back down forever- Do you think that someone going to the extent of lecturing about something they have no experience in is reasonable? Yes or no?

No, and I don't see that being done. Giving other options and reasons why you prefer those options is not lecturing. I have no problem with CLEP or people preferring CLEP. Have at it! I've given my reasons why I wasn't interested in doing CLEPs. That doesn't mean I have anything against them or think others shouldn't take them, but you don't seem to grasp the difference between having a preference and "attacking" something.

Baseless reasoning may not be an attack, but it's flat out wrong. And who the heck is "we"? Don't pretend like I'm referring to everyone, it's cowardly. Also, I've been on these forums longer than you have, so maybe YOU ought to spend more time familiarizing yourself with the community.

We is specifically referring to the group of people you put me in. You referred to, specifically, a group. from the post I was replying to:

a group of the same posters coming and going on about the corporate online classes

That was the "we."

I stopped reading this paragraph here. There's nothing more to say.

Yes, putting your fingers in your ears is a great approach. No wonder you have no idea what's going on around here.

Nonsense, I didn't misread a thing. I read KayV's post and you were echoing it. You were very much implying that they were in it together, that much is clear; that's why the mom had to come and tell you off. David Vise's post was much less spam than what you write on a daily basis. You just didn't like that he gave her option that you didn't approve of(we all know why)

My post was well after the mother posted, so it was already clear she wasn't involved. You're intentionally just being dishonest now because you've been embarrassed in this thread. If you think I've ever "spammed" this thread, then we're clearly working on different definitions of "spam." I'm not shocked that you're confused about this, you are clearly confused about a lot.

I'm sure you will.

As soon as they offer!

You can't read, I never attacked you for providing too many options. Never! That only exists inside your head.

This whole temper tantrum you've been throwing here is literally because people have dared to suggest non-CLEP options.

Also, IT'S NOT UP TO YOU TO DETERMINE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE.

Which is precisely why we give multiple options, much to your chagrin, even including CLEP.

I know it's hard for people like you to understand, but you're NOT dealing with children. Put everything on the table properly and let the adults and teens figure it out for themselves.

Again, which is precisely why we give multiple options, even the ones that get you so upset. You're arguing against yourself here, as you are the one insisting CLEP above all.

How many people don't mention that they have certain skills, because they don't know what's available. And jsd, you deliberately left out the part where I said that people starting from zero could take a language test, if they want to. It's not up to you to deem it inappropriate or not!

If people want to fit language tests to fill their degree slots, when have I ever spoken out against that? I don't think it's very practical to start from zero, but some people can pick up language quickly so for them this would be a great option. I shouldn't have to address some bizarre strawman since it's literally never something I'd discourage or tell someone not to offer as an option. You bringing it up doesn't bother me, it's a good idea if people already know a language or want to learn it. Why did you think this is your big "gotcha," when I've never on the forum spoken out against it?