Modern States Announcement

[dfrecore]

AP courses aren't easy to take if you aren't in high school. Plus, they're lower level credits. Oh, well.

I agree - and most people are taking the courses already. So it's really just an additional way to study for the exam.

I don't think this is nearly as useful as DSST would have been.

[sanantone]

AP courses aren't easy to take if you aren't in high school. Plus, they're lower level credits. Oh, well.

I agree - and most people are taking the courses already.  So it's really just an additional way to study for the exam.

I don't think this is nearly as useful as DSST would have been.

I edited my post. I had some errors in there. 

[dfrecore]

AP tests aren't easy to take if you aren't in high school, and AP classes are better preparation than anything Modern States can put together. Plus, AP tests are lower level credits, and a lot of them overlap CLEPs. Oh, well. They must have some kind of thing going with College Board.

I can't quite figure out how they decided to do certain CLEP and then certain AP. Like, it makes sense to do overlapping courses, because the material is already there (Biology, Calculus, English Lit, Psych, Macroecon, Microecon, Spanish). But then, they didn't do other overlapping ones (Am Govt, Chemistry, French, US History CLEP's but not AP). And they did totally separate AP exams that don't correspond to CLEP (CompSci, Environmental Science, Human Geography, Italian).

I'm wondering if they created their own CLEP courses, but then saw that there were already courses out there for these AP exams from instructors (possibly MOOC's) and they are picking the low-hanging fruit? And they will add more as they come? Hard to figure out their strategy.

Either way, I'm happy that they exist though. Not complaining, as much as curious about what's going on over there.

[cookderosa]

AP tests aren't easy to take if you aren't in high school, and AP classes are better preparation than anything Modern States can put together. Plus, AP tests are lower level credits, and a lot of them overlap CLEPs. Oh, well. They must have some kind of thing going with College Board.

I can't quite figure out how they decided to do certain CLEP and then certain AP. Like, it makes sense to do overlapping courses, because the material is already there (Biology, Calculus, English Lit, Psych, Macroecon, Microecon, Spanish). But then, they didn't do other overlapping ones (Am Govt, Chemistry, French, US History CLEP's but not AP). And they did totally separate AP exams that don't correspond to CLEP (CompSci, Environmental Science, Human Geography, Italian).

I'm wondering if they created their own CLEP courses, but then saw that there were already courses out there for these AP exams from instructors (possibly MOOC's) and they are picking the low-hanging fruit? And they will add more as they come? Hard to figure out their strategy.

Either way, I'm happy that they exist though. Not complaining, as much as curious about what's going on over there.

I'm only guessing, but there are 2.6 million AP test-takers per year, compared to only 55,000 DSST test takers - I think they are wise serving the bigger group. I'm also pretty excited about the AP classes, simply because a lot of homeschool parents prefer AP for admissions *as opposed to credit* and it's very hard to find AP curriculum as a homeschooler....unless you have tons of money lol. https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/di...t-2016.pdf

[dfrecore]

AP tests aren't easy to take if you aren't in high school, and AP classes are better preparation than anything Modern States can put together. Plus, AP tests are lower level credits, and a lot of them overlap CLEPs. Oh, well. They must have some kind of thing going with College Board.

I can't quite figure out how they decided to do certain CLEP and then certain AP. Like, it makes sense to do overlapping courses, because the material is already there (Biology, Calculus, English Lit, Psych, Macroecon, Microecon, Spanish). But then, they didn't do other overlapping ones (Am Govt, Chemistry, French, US History CLEP's but not AP). And they did totally separate AP exams that don't correspond to CLEP (CompSci, Environmental Science, Human Geography, Italian).

I'm wondering if they created their own CLEP courses, but then saw that there were already courses out there for these AP exams from instructors (possibly MOOC's) and they are picking the low-hanging fruit? And they will add more as they come? Hard to figure out their strategy.

Either way, I'm happy that they exist though. Not complaining, as much as curious about what's going on over there.

I'm only guessing, but there are 2.6 million AP test-takers per year, compared to only 55,000 DSST test takers - I think they are wise serving the bigger group. I'm also pretty excited about the AP classes, simply because a lot of homeschool parents prefer AP for admissions *as opposed to credit* and it's very hard to find AP curriculum as a homeschooler....unless you have tons of money lol. https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/di...t-2016.pdf

I get that AP curriculum is harder to find - but also know that it can be harder to actually take the AP exams, since schools do not have to allow non-students to take the exams on their campus.

[sanantone]

AP tests aren't easy to take if you aren't in high school, and AP classes are better preparation than anything Modern States can put together. Plus, AP tests are lower level credits, and a lot of them overlap CLEPs. Oh, well. They must have some kind of thing going with College Board.

I can't quite figure out how they decided to do certain CLEP and then certain AP. Like, it makes sense to do overlapping courses, because the material is already there (Biology, Calculus, English Lit, Psych, Macroecon, Microecon, Spanish). But then, they didn't do other overlapping ones (Am Govt, Chemistry, French, US History CLEP's but not AP). And they did totally separate AP exams that don't correspond to CLEP (CompSci, Environmental Science, Human Geography, Italian).

I'm wondering if they created their own CLEP courses, but then saw that there were already courses out there for these AP exams from instructors (possibly MOOC's) and they are picking the low-hanging fruit? And they will add more as they come? Hard to figure out their strategy.

Either way, I'm happy that they exist though. Not complaining, as much as curious about what's going on over there.

I'm only guessing, but there are 2.6 million AP test-takers per year, compared to only 55,000 DSST test takers - I think they are wise serving the bigger group. I'm also pretty excited about the AP classes, simply because a lot of homeschool parents prefer AP for admissions *as opposed to credit* and it's very hard to find AP curriculum as a homeschooler....unless you have tons of money lol. https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/di...t-2016.pdf

I bet you that 99.9% of AP test takers will have no use for Modern States. There are already more well-known test prep companies on top of the fact that the overwhelming majority of AP test takers have access to AP classes. I believe poor students can get fee waivers now. I can't remember.

It's a cool charity, but one of their target groups is adult learners, and they aren't going to take AP tests in large numbers. It's too difficult to find a school that will let you sit for an exam, and the exams are only offered at certain times of the year. I would be curious to know how many AP vouchers they'll end up giving out. I suspect that many, if not most, of their students will be adult learners from this forum. We have a tendency to inundate everyone as evidenced by what CSU Global told me twice.

[cathgrl]

AP tests aren't easy to take if you aren't in high school, and AP classes are better preparation than anything Modern States can put together. Plus, AP tests are lower level credits, and a lot of them overlap CLEPs. Oh, well. They must have some kind of thing going with College Board.

I can't quite figure out how they decided to do certain CLEP and then certain AP. Like, it makes sense to do overlapping courses, because the material is already there (Biology, Calculus, English Lit, Psych, Macroecon, Microecon, Spanish). But then, they didn't do other overlapping ones (Am Govt, Chemistry, French, US History CLEP's but not AP). And they did totally separate AP exams that don't correspond to CLEP (CompSci, Environmental Science, Human Geography, Italian).

I'm wondering if they created their own CLEP courses, but then saw that there were already courses out there for these AP exams from instructors (possibly MOOC's) and they are picking the low-hanging fruit? And they will add more as they come? Hard to figure out their strategy.

Either way, I'm happy that they exist though. Not complaining, as much as curious about what's going on over there.

I'm only guessing, but there are 2.6 million AP test-takers per year, compared to only 55,000 DSST test takers - I think they are wise serving the bigger group. I'm also pretty excited about the AP classes, simply because a lot of homeschool parents prefer AP for admissions *as opposed to credit* and it's very hard to find AP curriculum as a homeschooler....unless you have tons of money lol. https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/di...t-2016.pdf

I bet you that 99.9% of AP test takers will have no use for Modern States. There are already more well-known test prep companies on top of the fact that the overwhelming majority of AP test takers have access to AP classes. I believe poor students can get fee waivers now. I can't remember.

It's a cool charity, but one of their target groups is adult learners, and they aren't going to take AP tests in large numbers. It's too difficult to find a school that will let you sit for an exam, and the exams are only offered at certain times of the year. I would be curious to know how many AP vouchers they'll end up giving out. I suspect that many, if not most, of their students will be adult learners from this forum. We have a tendency to inundate everyone as evidenced by what CSU Global told me twice.

It could very well be that the 10,000 vouchers will be gone before the March deadline to register for AP exams.

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AP tests aren't easy to take if you aren't in high school, and AP classes are better preparation than anything Modern States can put together. Plus, AP tests are lower level credits, and a lot of them overlap CLEPs. Oh, well. They must have some kind of thing going with College Board.

I can't quite figure out how they decided to do certain CLEP and then certain AP. Like, it makes sense to do overlapping courses, because the material is already there (Biology, Calculus, English Lit, Psych, Macroecon, Microecon, Spanish). But then, they didn't do other overlapping ones (Am Govt, Chemistry, French, US History CLEP's but not AP). And they did totally separate AP exams that don't correspond to CLEP (CompSci, Environmental Science, Human Geography, Italian).

I'm wondering if they created their own CLEP courses, but then saw that there were already courses out there for these AP exams from instructors (possibly MOOC's) and they are picking the low-hanging fruit? And they will add more as they come? Hard to figure out their strategy.

Either way, I'm happy that they exist though. Not complaining, as much as curious about what's going on over there.

I'm only guessing, but there are 2.6 million AP test-takers per year, compared to only 55,000 DSST test takers - I think they are wise serving the bigger group. I'm also pretty excited about the AP classes, simply because a lot of homeschool parents prefer AP for admissions *as opposed to credit* and it's very hard to find AP curriculum as a homeschooler....unless you have tons of money lol. https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/di...t-2016.pdf

I bet you that 99.9% of AP test takers will have no use for Modern States. There are already more well-known test prep companies on top of the fact that the overwhelming majority of AP test takers have access to AP classes. I believe poor students can get fee waivers now. I can't remember.

It's a cool charity, but one of their target groups is adult learners, and they aren't going to take AP tests in large numbers. It's too difficult to find a school that will let you sit for an exam, and the exams are only offered at certain times of the year. I would be curious to know how many AP vouchers they'll end up giving out. I suspect that many, if not most, of their students will be adult learners from this forum. We have a tendency to inundate everyone as evidenced by what CSU Global told me twice.

It could very well be that the 10,000 vouchers will be gone before the March deadline to register for AP exams. I wonder how many were used during beta.

[sanantone]

AP tests aren't easy to take if you aren't in high school, and AP classes are better preparation than anything Modern States can put together. Plus, AP tests are lower level credits, and a lot of them overlap CLEPs. Oh, well. They must have some kind of thing going with College Board.

I can't quite figure out how they decided to do certain CLEP and then certain AP.  Like, it makes sense to do overlapping courses, because the material is already there (Biology, Calculus, English Lit, Psych, Macroecon, Microecon, Spanish).  But then, they didn't do other overlapping ones (Am Govt, Chemistry, French, US History CLEP's but not AP).  And they did totally separate AP exams that don't correspond to CLEP (CompSci, Environmental Science, Human Geography, Italian).

I'm wondering if they created their own CLEP courses, but then saw that there were already courses out there for these AP exams from instructors (possibly MOOC's) and they are picking the low-hanging fruit?  And they will add more as they come?  Hard to figure out their strategy.

Either way, I'm happy that they exist though.  Not complaining, as much as curious about what's going on over there.

I'm only guessing, but there are 2.6 million AP test-takers per year, compared to only 55,000 DSST test takers - I think they are wise serving the bigger group. I'm also pretty excited about the AP classes, simply because a lot of homeschool parents prefer AP for admissions *as opposed to credit* and it's very hard to find AP curriculum as a homeschooler....unless you have tons of money lol.   https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/di...t-2016.pdf

I bet you that 99.9% of AP test takers will have no use for Modern States. There are already more well-known test prep companies on top of the fact that the overwhelming majority of AP test takers have access to AP classes. I believe poor students can get fee waivers now. I can't remember.

It's a cool charity, but one of their target groups is adult learners, and they aren't going to take AP tests in large numbers. It's too difficult to find a school that will let you sit for an exam, and the exams are only offered at certain times of the year. I would be curious to know how many AP vouchers they'll end up giving out. I suspect that many, if not most, of their students will be adult learners from this forum. We have a tendency to inundate everyone as evidenced by what CSU Global told me twice.

It could very well be that the 10,000 vouchers will be gone before the March deadline to register for AP exams.

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I can't quite figure out how they decided to do certain CLEP and then certain AP.  Like, it makes sense to do overlapping courses, because the material is already there (Biology, Calculus, English Lit, Psych, Macroecon, Microecon, Spanish).  But then, they didn't do other overlapping ones (Am Govt, Chemistry, French, US History CLEP's but not AP).  And they did totally separate AP exams that don't correspond to CLEP (CompSci, Environmental Science, Human Geography, Italian).

I'm wondering if they created their own CLEP courses, but then saw that there were already courses out there for these AP exams from instructors (possibly MOOC's) and they are picking the low-hanging fruit?  And they will add more as they come?  Hard to figure out their strategy.

Either way, I'm happy that they exist though.  Not complaining, as much as curious about what's going on over there.

I'm only guessing, but there are 2.6 million AP test-takers per year, compared to only 55,000 DSST test takers - I think they are wise serving the bigger group. I'm also pretty excited about the AP classes, simply because a lot of homeschool parents prefer AP for admissions *as opposed to credit* and it's very hard to find AP curriculum as a homeschooler....unless you have tons of money lol.   https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/di...t-2016.pdf

I bet you that 99.9% of AP test takers will have no use for Modern States. There are already more well-known test prep companies on top of the fact that the overwhelming majority of AP test takers have access to AP classes. I believe poor students can get fee waivers now. I can't remember.

It's a cool charity, but one of their target groups is adult learners, and they aren't going to take AP tests in large numbers. It's too difficult to find a school that will let you sit for an exam, and the exams are only offered at certain times of the year. I would be curious to know how many AP vouchers they'll end up giving out. I suspect that many, if not most, of their students will be adult learners from this forum. We have a tendency to inundate everyone as evidenced by what CSU Global told me twice.

It could very well be that the 10,000 vouchers will be gone before the March deadline to register for AP exams. I wonder how many were used during beta.

That's a good point. Most of the vouchers could be gone before anyone gets a chance to take an AP test unless Modern States plans on purchasing more or has reserved vouchers for AP tests.

[homeschoolmom1]

I wonder if the AP courses have undergone the College Board audit process so that they could be listed as AP classes on a homeschool transcript.

[Collegelady2]

I don't think modern states is going to be a short term deal sounds like from one of the articles I read on their website that their goal is wanting to reach 1 million students sounds like they have a minimum of 1 billion dollars to give away and there's probably even more than that. One of the guys behind modern states was a hedge fund manager so the money they are using for this is probably all invested until they actually need it. Plus it sounds like they are looking for other philanthropists to carry on the goals of the organization