ENEB Master Thread

[monchevy]

Again, MCA does not have any value.  If you choose to do the ENEB courses, go in with low expectations.  Maybe learn a few things and list it if you feel it is useful.  But don’t waste time trying to validate it with an unaccredited “business school” that is barely located in the US.

If you are really just looking to learn a few things, you'd be better off taking a few free MOOCs from respected institutions, rather than paying hundreds of dollars for this scam and then scrambling (and paying) to find an evaluator shady enough to pronounce it a legit master's degree. You are NOT going to get two legit, accredited master's degrees with a $300 payment to Groupon. BE SERIOUS.

[Vle045]

Again, MCA does not have any value.  If you choose to do the ENEB courses, go in with low expectations.  Maybe learn a few things and list it if you feel it is useful.  But don’t waste time trying to validate it with an unaccredited “business school” that is barely located in the US.

If you are really just looking to learn a few things, you'd be better off taking a few free MOOCs from respected institutions, rather than paying hundreds of dollars for this scam and then scrambling (and paying) to find an evaluator shady enough to pronounce it a legit master's degree. You are NOT going to get two legit, accredited master's degrees with a $300 payment to Groupon. BE SERIOUS.

Definitely a valid option.  I have audited a few courses on Coursera myself.  Although I have failed to finish quite a few.  oops.

[Dumber]

Again, MCA does not have any value.  If you choose to do the ENEB courses, go in with low expectations.  Maybe learn a few things and list it if you feel it is useful.  But don’t waste time trying to validate it with an unaccredited “business school” that is barely located in the US.

If you are really just looking to learn a few things, you'd be better off taking a few free MOOCs from respected institutions, rather than paying hundreds of dollars for this scam and then scrambling (and paying) to find an evaluator shady enough to pronounce it a legit master's degree. You are NOT going to get two legit, accredited master's degrees with a $300 payment to Groupon. BE SERIOUS.

The MCA arrangement is sham-ish/mill-ish - useless. The Isabel/ENEB arrangement is decent. ENEB on its own is non-accredited according to US Evaluator(s). Propio degrees are legal and acceptable in Spain for non-academic pursuits and non-government jobs. I still don't understand the hype now that we know so much about the usefulness and validity of ENEB.

[eLearner]

If you are really just looking to learn a few things, you'd be better off taking a few free MOOCs from respected institutions, rather than paying hundreds of dollars for this scam and then scrambling (and paying) to find an evaluator shady enough to pronounce it a legit master's degree. You are NOT going to get two legit, accredited master's degrees with a $300 payment to Groupon. BE SERIOUS.

Haha. Well, to be fair, ENEB's degrees have received legitimizing evaluations from at least three reputable NACES U.S. evaluators including the "king" evaluator WES (One as a regionally accredited Bachelors, one as an unaccredited Masters, and one as a regionally accredited Graduate diploma), so with that information out there people wouldn't need to do any scrambling now. But before that, there was definitely a mad scramble going on, lol.

[rachel83az]

ENEB is not a scam. MCA arguably could be. It's definitely on the shady side. If ENEB doesn't fill the purposes that you want, that's fine. But it doesn't make them a scam. There are worse ways to spend $300. I'd personally rather have a titulo propio than 1 or 2 certificates of dubious quality from Coursera/edX.

[eLearner]

The thing I think is important to keep in mind is that propios aren't new and evaluators have plenty of experience with them. Evaluators like ACEI and SpanTran have long ago taken an SOP-like position on them to only evaluate them for credit at the graduate or undergraduate level. Evaluators like WES and ECE will vary in their approach: depending on the arrangement and program it can be evaluated as equivalent to a U.S. regionally accredited degree or a U.S. non-accredited degree, I think many here already knew that, but the bulk of the discussion here about it comes from us all still learning about how ENEB specifically would be handled.

So far, there are no known outright rejections of ENEB degrees by evaluators (and someone is going to pop up with one right after I post this, lol), so as it stands, and unless ENEB does something to really screw up, everything should be okay. In a way, it's much like a school receiving accreditation and then needing to do the right things to hang onto it, and having said that I have to say that MCA-like deals could get them into hot water at some point much like UCN and others have made deals that got them blacklisted. The evaluators are watching. As I've said in previous posts, in a number of countries what MCA is giving would be acceptable and I think both MCA and ENEB misunderstand that the U.S. education system is different, more strict, and very just-so when compared to many others.

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ENEB is not a scam. MCA arguably could be. It's definitely on the shady side. If ENEB doesn't fill the purposes that you want, that's fine. But it doesn't make them a scam. There are worse ways to spend $300. I'd personally rather have a titulo propio than 1 or 2 certificates of dubious quality from Coursera/edX.

While I like Coursera/EdX, the problem is that much of what they offer doesn't count for credit anywhere. Then if you do take a credit-bearing degree program through them it's still going to cost quite a bit, considerably less than going directly through the degree-awarding school, but still.

[arad]

the IMBA transcript supposedly looks like this:
https://mcabschool.com/images/Certificad...-Front.jpg

That's not even a transcript...

can't edit it anymore.

 

the IMBA transcript supposedly looks like this:
https://mcabschool.com/images/Certificad...-Front.jpg

That's not even a transcript...

I feel like I've said that 10 times in this thread. People keep posting pictures of "transcripts" that aren't transcripts. Do we need a mandatory glossary thread?

I am deeply sorry if my effort to contribute something to this thread created a feeling of distress in you. How dare I to make you say something for the 10th time. 

no need to be condescending towards others, but a glossary is a good idea. If I type "Zeugnis" in the dictionary I get: Transcript, Certificate, diploma etc.

[eLearner]

... Uh-oh...

[monchevy]

ENEB is not a scam. MCA arguably could be. It's definitely on the shady side. If ENEB doesn't fill the purposes that you want, that's fine. But it doesn't make them a scam. There are worse ways to spend $300. I'd personally rather have a titulo propio than 1 or 2 certificates of dubious quality from Coursera/edX.

What they are selling is not a legit, accredited master's degree (let alone TWO of them) in the US.

And I said that if all you want is to learn a few things, you'd be better off taking free MOOCs than spending money on a "master's program" of unquestionably dubious quality. But if everyone wants to jump through hoops to try to turn it into something it's not JUST because it's cheap, have at it. An unaccredited $300 degree (sorry, two degrees...   )from Spain is of very little value in the US. In Europe, maybe.

I just find it amusing that people here question the legitimacy of a degree from the UK's Open University, while twisting themselves into a pretzel to make this a thing. If there's one thing all Groupon schools have in common, it's that they sell their programs for peanuts for a reason.

[Vle045]

This thread is quite entertaining....

A $300 degree or two from Spain is cool for someone like me. I am over 40 and I have $300 to blow on some online classes. I’ve thought about getting a Master’s degree for years but don’t want to go tens of thousands of dollars in debt and then find out I can’t cut it. Yup, I have a huge fear of failure. If I fail out or simply never finish, I am ok with losing that amount of money for my foolishness. If I do well, perhaps I will feel better prepared to get a “real” MBA. If I simply complete it and never go any further, I can List it on forums like this and Facebook and just keep on keepin’ on at my current job. (I am VERY good at my current job)

But.... MCA gives me all kinds of bad feelings, so I am going to just leave that part alone. It’s one thing to say I got this fun and fancy little degree from Spain and pretend it’s cool. LOL. But it’s icky to say I got this degree from some shady fly by night school in Florida that doesn’t even use proper English nor have proper accreditation.