ENEB Master Thread

[Sdmj33]

Country: Spain
Credential: Titulo de Master
Awarded by: ENED
Status: Non-accredited program
U.S equivalency:  Master’s degree from a non-accredited institution
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My Personal conclusion: Valid non-academic degree in Spain – little utility for academic or maybe employment in the USA and Canada. I do not have any further need to go opinion shop from other evaluators.

Oof. Body blow.

I don't know what the exact reasoning behind the decision is, but if I had to make an educated guess it would be that they deem it unaccredited because of the arrangement: Even though both schools send their own separate degrees, only ENEB handles and sends the physical transcripts. And although ENEB is accredited by Spain's accepted standards of accreditation-by-association (One main school is accredited, and a separate school can enter into a partnership with that main school and be considered accredited by that association) it's not accredited by U.S. standards where each institution is only considered accredited if it has its own individual accreditation (i.e., you can't be accredited by a separate school, you can only be institutionally accredited by an institutional accrediting body).

Well, here are two positives:

1. It was recognized as a Master's degree instead of a Bachelors degree this time.

2. In a number of states, applying for licensure or bypassing significant amounts of practice hours in a number of fields only requires a valid Masters degree, be it accredited or unaccredited.

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Any recent evaluations either being from ECE or WES?

You wanna volunteer? Who wants to volunteer? (I would, but then, I have no need for this evaluation), this what I am proposing...
See this thread: post #4 specifically: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...r-to-Big-3

My feedback from WES will upset and disappoint many of you. It took almost four months to request the transcript ENEB to be sent to WES and receive a response for WES. WES took under two weeks.

Country: Spain
Credential: Titulo de Master
Awarded by: ENED
Status: Non-accredited program
U.S equivalency:  Master’s degree from a non-accredited institution
-
My Personal conclusion: Valid non-academic degree in Spain – little utility for academic or maybe employment in the USA and Canada. I do not have any further need to go opinion shop from other evaluators.

Thank you so much for the update.


Looks like we will have to transfer to a uni like UCN and get a degree from them for it to be valid.

Won't work through WES though. WES has slammed the door on UCN for now. You'd have to find another evaluator.

I didnt know that about UCN. Thank you for the information. Are there any alternatives to UCN that you know of that are recognized by WES?

[eLearner]

@Sdmj33 The best bet is to create an account at WES, and then search the database to see what schools are in it and which ones they're accepting for evaluation. It's not a guarantee that they will give you a positive evaluation for any of those schools, but if they're in the database and not on their rejection list (the database will tell you when you select a school) then there is at least a chance.

[Sdmj33]

@Sdmj33 The best bet is to create an account at WES, and then search the database to see what schools are in it and which ones they're accepting for evaluation. It's not a guarantee that they will give you a positive evaluation for any of those schools, but if they're in the database and not on their rejection list (the database will tell you when you select a school) then there is at least a chance.

Idk where to begin though. Idk of any schools that are lenient with their credit transfer policies.

[eLearner]

@Sdmj33 The best bet is to create an account at WES, and then search the database to see what schools are in it and which ones they're accepting for evaluation. It's not a guarantee that they will give you a positive evaluation for any of those schools, but if they're in the database and not on their rejection list (the database will tell you when you select a school) then there is at least a chance.

Idk where to begin though. Idk of any schools that are lenient with their credit transfer policies.

I see. Someone may have more specific/individual school information, but all I do is make contact with the schools that have the programs I'm interested in learning about. Someone will answer, and the ones that don't will show you that they aren't a good choice if they can't even answer the inquiry of a prospective student.

[cacoleman1983]

Country: Spain
Credential: Titulo de Master
Awarded by: ENED
Status: Non-accredited program
U.S equivalency:  Master’s degree from a non-accredited institution
-
My Personal conclusion: Valid non-academic degree in Spain – little utility for academic or maybe employment in the USA and Canada. I do not have any further need to go opinion shop from other evaluators.

Oof. Body blow.

I don't know what the exact reasoning behind the decision is, but if I had to make an educated guess it would be that they deem it unaccredited because of the arrangement: Even though both schools send their own separate degrees, only ENEB handles and sends the physical transcripts. And although ENEB is accredited by Spain's accepted standards of accreditation-by-association (One main school is accredited, and a separate school can enter into a partnership with that main school and be considered accredited by that association) it's not accredited by U.S. standards where each institution is only considered accredited if it has its own individual accreditation (i.e., you can't be accredited by a separate school, you can only be institutionally accredited by an institutional accrediting body).

Well, here are two positives:

1. It was recognized as a Master's degree instead of a Bachelors degree this time.

2. In a number of states, applying for licensure or bypassing significant amounts of practice hours in a number of fields only requires a valid Masters degree, be it accredited or unaccredited.

---

Any recent evaluations either being from ECE or WES?

You wanna volunteer? Who wants to volunteer? (I would, but then, I have no need for this evaluation), this what I am proposing...
See this thread: post #4 specifically: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...r-to-Big-3

My feedback from WES will upset and disappoint many of you. It took almost four months to request the transcript ENEB to be sent to WES and receive a response for WES. WES took under two weeks.

Country: Spain
Credential: Titulo de Master
Awarded by: ENED
Status: Non-accredited program
U.S equivalency:  Master’s degree from a non-accredited institution
-
My Personal conclusion: Valid non-academic degree in Spain – little utility for academic or maybe employment in the USA and Canada. I do not have any further need to go opinion shop from other evaluators.

Thank you so much for the update.


Looks like we will have to transfer to a uni like UCN and get a degree from them for it to be valid.

Won't work through WES though. WES has slammed the door on UCN for now. You'd have to find another evaluator.

Currently,  the only two evaluators that will give UCN the regional accreditation stamp is Spantran and ERES according to a source I received from someone who got their PhD there.   The school usually arranges their evaluation of credentials with Spantran.

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Country: Spain
Credential: Titulo de Master
Awarded by: ENED
Status: Non-accredited program
U.S equivalency:  Master’s degree from a non-accredited institution
-
My Personal conclusion: Valid non-academic degree in Spain – little utility for academic or maybe employment in the USA and Canada. I do not have any further need to go opinion shop from other evaluators.

Oof. Body blow.

I don't know what the exact reasoning behind the decision is, but if I had to make an educated guess it would be that they deem it unaccredited because of the arrangement: Even though both schools send their own separate degrees, only ENEB handles and sends the physical transcripts. And although ENEB is accredited by Spain's accepted standards of accreditation-by-association being (One main school is accredited, and a separate school can enter into a partnership with that main school and be considered accredited by that association) it's not accredited by U.S. standards where each institution is only considered accredited if it has its own individual accreditation (i.e., you can't be accredited by a separate school, you can only be institutionally accredited by an institutional accrediting body).

Well, here are two positives:

1. It was recognized as a Master's degree instead of a Bachelors degree this time.

2. In a number of states, applying for licensure or bypassing significant amounts of practice hours in a number of fields only requires a valid Masters degree, be it accredited or unaccredited.

---

You wanna volunteer? Who wants to volunteer? (I would, but then, I have no need for this evaluation), this what I am proposing...
See this thread: post #4 specifically: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...r-to-Big-3

My feedback from WES will upset and disappoint many of you. It took almost four months to request the transcript ENEB to be sent to WES and receive a response for WES. WES took under two weeks.

Country: Spain
Credential: Titulo de Master
Awarded by: ENED
Status: Non-accredited program
U.S equivalency:  Master’s degree from a non-accredited institution
-
My Personal conclusion: Valid non-academic degree in Spain – little utility for academic or maybe employment in the USA and Canada. I do not have any further need to go opinion shop from other evaluators.

Thank you so much for the update.


Looks like we will have to transfer to a uni like UCN and get a degree from them for it to be valid.

Won't work through WES though. WES has slammed the door on UCN for now. You'd have to find another evaluator.

is there a distinction between unaccredited and non-accredited? According to WES ENEB certificate is a Master’s degree from a non-accredited institution.

I can understand why WES evaluated like this.   It shows no reference to Universidad Isabel I which made the ENEB certificate valid.  By themselves, ENEB is not accredited and Universidad Isabel I makes the diplomas more legitimate but still unofficial. 

ECE likely evaluated it coming from Universidad Isabel I resulting in a Bachelors equivalent because the credits are (proprio) unofficial graduate credits through ENEB coming from an accredited school but speaks in code about the degree requiring a 3-year Bachelors degree.

I think if someone wants to get this successfully evaluated as a regionally accredited Masters degree, they would need to have Universidad Isabel I somehow issue an official transcript of ENEB courses but that probably won't happen. At this point, ENEB's unoffical/unaccredited credentials are equivalent to ACE credits due to approval from the ECTS credit system. This can work for transfer to complete or create another specialization for a credential or transfer for upgrade to a new one, not as a standalone credential.

[eLearner]

The quote threadings are a real mess, mine included. I wonder if there is a way to avoid having quotes come out in a long string like that? A way where just the person you want to reply to is quoted? I've tried to delete parts of these long multi-quotes, but it always manages to erase the entire quote string when I hit submit.

@cacoleman1983 you have a great point. The whole accreditation-by-association thing is not a U.S. concept at all, so while I may not agree with some of the decisions I can understand the thinking at least in WES' case with the unaccredited position on the school. The closest American example I can think of off-hand to what ENEB is doing is Coursera and its deals with various degree-granting schools, but even then they don't claim accreditation-by-association, different from the way it's accepted for foreign schools to do.

I am curious about how SpanTran might evaluate these degree programs.

Seems like I read the answer to this before, but I guess I don't remember anymore: Do you or anyone else know if UCN accepts ENEB degrees? If so, that would be an interesting way to work around the current U.S. evaluator' positions we've read regarding the ENEB programs.

[Thorne]

The quote threadings are a real mess, mine included. I wonder if there is a way to avoid having quotes come out in a long string like that? A way where just the person you want to reply to is quoted? I've tried to delete parts of these long multi-quotes, but it always manages to erase the entire quote string when I hit submit.

@cacoleman1983 you have a great point. The whole accreditation-by-association thing is not a U.S. concept at all, so while I may not agree with some of the decisions I can understand the thinking at least in WES' case with the unaccredited position on the school. The closest American example I can think of off-hand to what ENEB is doing is Coursera and its deals with various degree-granting schools, but even then they don't claim accreditation-by-association, different from the way it's accepted for foreign schools to do.

I am curious about how SpanTran might evaluate these degree programs.

Seems like I read the answer to this before, but I guess I don't remember anymore: Do you or anyone else know if UCN accepts ENEB degrees? If so, that would be an interesting way to work around the current U.S. evaluator' positions we've read regarding the ENEB programs.

I think someone on the sister forum mentioned Azteca accepting ENEB for transfer credits to their DBA or DEd (obviously fewer credits for DEd) which is then issued by UCN & Azteca. Not sure about UCN itself.

SpanTran probably won't accept it because it's not a Titulo Oficial program
https://www.taicep.org/taiceporgwp/wp-co...tinues.pdf

[cacoleman1983]

I don't think UCN will accept them but then again I'm not really sure.   I'm actually enrolled in Azteca University inter-university program for a PhD in Education which will result in an accredited degree from UCN.  The dean there said that the ENEB looks like a diploma mill but if they were to see a Universidad Isabel I degree, they will likely accept it.  I think it was me that mentioned transferring these credits to UCN.   They seem to partner with a lot of good unaccredited schools to issue accredited diplomas so there is always a possibility.  

On Azteca and UCN's websites for their inter-university programs, they seem to grant degrees based on validation credits and the cost of the degree itself will be same rather they accept the credits or not.

http://www.universidadazteca.net/study_o...s_and_fees

If you can manage to get UCN to issue the degree through validation, SpanTran will likely accept it. Of course you will be paying thousands for it though. You can still later transfer to a DBA or PhD (for those with a surplus of ECTS hours) and complete the dissertation as there is no additional coursework after the MBA.

[bjcheung77]

My feedback from WES will upset and disappoint many of you. It took almost four months to request the transcript ENEB to be sent to WES and receive a response for WES. WES took under two weeks.

Country: Spain
Credential: Titulo de Master
Awarded by: ENED
Status: Non-accredited program
U.S equivalency: Master’s degree from a non-accredited institution
-
My Personal conclusion: Valid non-academic degree in Spain – little utility for academic or maybe employment in the USA and Canada. I do not have any further need to go opinion shop from other evaluators.

I see it was showing as awarded by ENEB instead of Universidad Isabel I, that's an issue. WES doesn't seem to be as great as I hoped, they're big but they're too conservative and traditional to understand that the degree granting institution is Universidad Isabel I - not ENEB. Anyways, as I recommended earlier in this thread, people - try another evaluator. There are 12 more NACES evaluators to pick from, I would pick the cheapest 3 for course by course evaluations...

If someone can compile a list of evaluators who will accept digital copies of documents, I'll probably bite the bullet after I finish. I have no real need for evaluation, but that way we can have an answer that doesn't come from WES, the king with the tinfoil crown...

I would recommend ECE but since that provider has been used before, I would chose something else... Let me review their pricing schemes and I'll get back to you, I did a list of the 5 Canadian and 13 US evaluators in this thread, gonna check their pricing one by one...

@Dumber

Same thing.

Accredited vs non-accredited is NOT the same thing, that's like saying an Apple is an Orange OR a Nationally Accredited degree is the same as a Degree Mill... Sure, all schools start off non-accredited, but they all progress to an accredited status eventually or at least seek accreditation... Not every program at a school will be accredited either, there are so many accreditation factors for program vs school accreditation.

Non-Accredited just means they may be a valid institution that hasn't seek out accreditation as it's voluntary for the school to do so. Because of this, there isn't really away to determine if the schools program meet specific quality requirements. It is these requirements that allow the school to seek financial aid or grants, etc. It all depends on how the school wants to be recognized.

Accredited institutions or programs indicate the school programs or the institution itself has gone through quality checks for integrity, student experience, financial aid, and meet ethicial standards. For programs that require licensing such as engineering, nursing, it is required to be accredited and have specific programmatic accreditation.

[eLearner]

The quote threadings are a real mess, mine included. I wonder if there is a way to avoid having quotes come out in a long string like that? A way where just the person you want to reply to is quoted? I've tried to delete parts of these long multi-quotes, but it always manages to erase the entire quote string when I hit submit.

@cacoleman1983 you have a great point. The whole accreditation-by-association thing is not a U.S. concept at all, so while I may not agree with some of the decisions I can understand the thinking at least in WES' case with the unaccredited position on the school. The closest American example I can think of off-hand to what ENEB is doing is Coursera and its deals with various degree-granting schools, but even then they don't claim accreditation-by-association, different from the way it's accepted for foreign schools to do.

I am curious about how SpanTran might evaluate these degree programs.

Seems like I read the answer to this before, but I guess I don't remember anymore: Do you or anyone else know if UCN accepts ENEB degrees? If so, that would be an interesting way to work around the current U.S. evaluator' positions we've read regarding the ENEB programs.

I think someone on the sister forum mentioned Azteca accepting ENEB for transfer credits to their DBA or DEd (obviously fewer credits for DEd) which is then issued by UCN & Azteca. Not sure about UCN itself.

SpanTran probably won't accept it because it's not a Titulo Oficial program
https://www.taicep.org/taiceporgwp/wp-co...tinues.pdf

That doc is a good find.

I was playing around with the UCN auto-evaluation tool, and it looks like they accept degrees into their Doctoral programs as long as one or more adds up to at least 240 ECTS. So that covered the 4-year U.S. standard Bachelors, and the combo of a 4-year U.S. standard Bachelors and 60 ECTS 1-year Masters which of course the ENEB programs are. However, it's an auto-evaluation, so there could be some catches involved once a human looks and closes the loop.

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@Dumber

Same thing.

Accredited vs non-accredited is NOT the same thing, that's like saying an Apple is an Orange OR a Nationally Accredited degree is the same as a Degree Mill... Sure, all schools start off non-accredited, but they all progress to an accredited status eventually or at least seek accreditation... Not every program at a school will be accredited either, there are so many accreditation factors for program vs school accreditation.

Non-Accredited just means they may be a valid institution that hasn't seek out accreditation as it's voluntary for the school to do so.  Because of this, there isn't really away to determine if the schools program meet specific quality requirements.  It is these requirements that allow the school to seek financial aid or grants, etc.  It all depends on how the school wants to be recognized.

Accredited institutions or programs indicate the school programs or the institution itself has gone through quality checks for integrity, student experience, financial aid, and meet ethicial standards.  For programs that require licensing such as engineering, nursing, it is required to be accredited and have specific programmatic accreditation.

You may want to check the post I was replying to again. There is a key piece you've missed.

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I don't think UCN will accept them but then again I'm not really sure.   I'm actually enrolled in Azteca University inter-university program for a PhD in Education which will result in an accredited degree from UCN.  The dean there said that the ENEB looks like a diploma mill but if they were to see a Universidad Isabel I degree, they will likely accept it.  I think it was me that mentioned transferring these credits to UCN.   They seem to partner with a lot of good unaccredited schools to issue accredited diplomas so there is always a possibility.  

On Azteca and UCN's websites for their inter-university programs, they seem to grant degrees based on validation credits and the cost of the degree itself will be same rather they accept the credits or not.  

http://www.universidadazteca.net/study_o...s_and_fees

If you can manage to get UCN to issue the degree through validation, SpanTran will likely accept it.  Of course you will be paying thousands for it though.  You can still later transfer to a DBA or PhD (for those with a surplus of ECTS hours) and complete the dissertation as there is no additional coursework after the MBA.

I took a look at the UCN auto-evaluation tool and it accepted into their Doctoral programs anything of at least 240 ECTS. According to the tool, a 4-year Bachelors is 240 ECTS and a 1-year Masters is 60 ECTS, for a total of 300 ECTS, but anything could change once a human sets eyes on it and adds other stipulations that the auto tool doesn't cover.