DBA: ROI and motivation?

[bjcheung77]

For the DBA, you can look at an example of Aston University DBA for roughly $50K, triple accreditation. I wouldn't want to spend $100K on a DBA. You can save the $ for a vacation as I mentioned here, in response to this person's post #34: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid404971

[Duneranger]

Don't count on finding a full time professor position in today's world. They're hard to come by and pretty rare.

I plan on beginning my DBA next year. For me, it's a personal thing. It's not for my career. I want it because I want it. I was the first person in my family to go to college. I have had a few cousins since go to college. One has a master's. But that's it. I'll finish my second master's in the spring and then onto my doctorate. I just want it. I LOVE research so I'm interested in that aspect. Not super thrilled about taking multiple doctoral level stats classes, but that's part of the program.

This is not entirely true. There are plenty of small private colleges and universities that are hiring full time professors. It depends where one looks.Another option is to work in higher education administration.

Where? And are these tenured/visiting/associate roles? What's the salary range? Academia even at small colleges is insanely competitive. There are so many negative variables here versus the positive ROI.

I know people with T20 PhDs who can't find jobs beyond the adjunct or associate role making pennies. I'd be extremely surprised if an online doctorate would beat them out.

Here in NC there are many small universities offering full time faculty positions. Most are not tenured but full time. The salaries can be quite low around 70k usd to 80k usd to start. Usually at such locations, faculty are not pressured to do research. It really depends on the doctorate subject and the candidate when it comes to any type of faculty position. I serve on several hiring committees and usually we look for a combination of experience, education, personality, teaching methods, and references. So simply having a doctorate is not the only factor.

I have seen these sorts of positions, wouldn't a MBA suffice?  Many business schools have MBAs teaching. The question is ROI for a DBA

[sacredrain]

Don't count on finding a full time professor position in today's world. They're hard to come by and pretty rare.

I plan on beginning my DBA next year. For me, it's a personal thing. It's not for my career. I want it because I want it. I was the first person in my family to go to college. I have had a few cousins since go to college. One has a master's. But that's it. I'll finish my second master's in the spring and then onto my doctorate. I just want it. I LOVE research so I'm interested in that aspect. Not super thrilled about taking multiple doctoral level stats classes, but that's part of the program.

This is not entirely true. There are plenty of small private colleges and universities that are hiring full time professors. It depends where one looks.Another option is to work in higher education administration.

Where? And are these tenured/visiting/associate roles? What's the salary range? Academia even at small colleges is insanely competitive. There are so many negative variables here versus the positive ROI.

I know people with T20 PhDs who can't find jobs beyond the adjunct or associate role making pennies. I'd be extremely surprised if an online doctorate would beat them out.

Here in NC there are many small universities offering full time faculty positions. Most are not tenured but full time. The salaries can be quite low around 70k usd to 80k usd to start. Usually at such locations, faculty are not pressured to do research. It really depends on the doctorate subject and the candidate when it comes to any type of faculty position. I serve on several hiring committees and usually we look for a combination of experience, education, personality, teaching methods, and references. So simply having a doctorate is not the only factor.

I have seen these sorts of positions, wouldn't a MBA suffice?  Many business schools have MBAs teaching. The question is ROI for a DBA

Usually these types of positions want a doctorate degree. I have only seen an MBA offered a full time instructor's position if the person has an MBA and certifications in hard to fill areas such as Finance, Accounting, or Economics. At the university where I currently work, we have a few master level full time instructors who are not tentured (despite offering tenure to doctorate holders), who have to go through the contract renewal process each year. These instructors are either working in the computer science department or in the areas I mentioned earlier. 

It is hard to say what a DBA ROI would be for you as its going to depend on your location, your experience, and what subject the DBA is in. I would suggest trying to land a few adjunct positions with your masters degree, this way your foot is in the door with a university or college and applying later if a position comes up that requires a doctorate degree. Another option is to look at full time online faculty positions. Universities such as WGU and Walden for example, all have full time instructors/professors.

[ss20ts]

Don't count on finding a full time professor position in today's world. They're hard to come by and pretty rare.

I plan on beginning my DBA next year. For me, it's a personal thing. It's not for my career. I want it because I want it. I was the first person in my family to go to college. I have had a few cousins since go to college. One has a master's. But that's it. I'll finish my second master's in the spring and then onto my doctorate. I just want it. I LOVE research so I'm interested in that aspect. Not super thrilled about taking multiple doctoral level stats classes, but that's part of the program.

This is not entirely true. There are plenty of small private colleges and universities that are hiring full time professors. It depends where one looks.Another option is to work in higher education administration.

Please list these colleges out. Many colleges are in serious financial trouble. There have been numerous mergers and closures. Even more are hanging on by a thread. We have posts on here every week about a college in trouble. Private schools are struggling far more than state schools.

[sacredrain]

Don't count on finding a full time professor position in today's world. They're hard to come by and pretty rare.

I plan on beginning my DBA next year. For me, it's a personal thing. It's not for my career. I want it because I want it. I was the first person in my family to go to college. I have had a few cousins since go to college. One has a master's. But that's it. I'll finish my second master's in the spring and then onto my doctorate. I just want it. I LOVE research so I'm interested in that aspect. Not super thrilled about taking multiple doctoral level stats classes, but that's part of the program.

This is not entirely true. There are plenty of small private colleges and universities that are hiring full time professors. It depends where one looks.Another option is to work in higher education administration.

Please list these colleges out. Many colleges are in serious financial trouble. There have been numerous mergers and closures. Even more are hanging on by a thread. We have posts on here every week about a college in trouble. Private schools are struggling far more than state schools.

I am not going to list every single college/university that is hiring. A person can find positions at the usual places:  https://jobs.chronicle.com/jobs/faculty-.../#browsing or https://www.higheredjobs.com/faculty/ or a person can go to the actual college or university to apply.  NC has not had many colleges/universities close here but some are in trouble with accreditors due to financial footing. In fact one small liberal arts college, where I am on the board, was able to secure a 25 million loan to boost finances and received incentives from the town and county. It also helps that many private universities/colleges in NC are church backed so they can tap church assemblies for funding.

[ss20ts]

I am not going to list every single college/university that is hiring. A person can find positions at the usual places:  https://jobs.chronicle.com/jobs/faculty-.../#browsing or https://www.higheredjobs.com/faculty/ or a person can go to the actual college or university to apply.  NC has not had many colleges/universities close here but some are in trouble with accreditors due to financial footing. In fact one small liberal arts college, where I am on the board, was able to secure a 25 million loan to boost finances and received incentives from the town and county. It also helps that many private universities/colleges in NC are church backed so they can tap church assemblies for funding.

And if you look through many of the business department listings, you'll find that they're for open pool, visiting positions, non-tenure track, etc. Very few are actual full time permanent tenure track positions in the business departments. 

A $25 million loan doesn't mean much. I just watched 99 year old Cazenovia College fail to make payment on their $25 million loan and was forced to close down. This too was a private college. It was created by a church. It's now gone and the students were forced to transfer. They were informed of the closing during their December finals that the college was closing at the end of the spring semester. They're far from the only college who failed to repay a loan. Loans of this magnitude are extremely difficult to repay. They're just digging themselves a bigger hole.

[sacredrain]

I am not going to list every single college/university that is hiring. A person can find positions at the usual places:  https://jobs.chronicle.com/jobs/faculty-.../#browsing or https://www.higheredjobs.com/faculty/ or a person can go to the actual college or university to apply.  NC has not had many colleges/universities close here but some are in trouble with accreditors due to financial footing. In fact one small liberal arts college, where I am on the board, was able to secure a 25 million loan to boost finances and received incentives from the town and county. It also helps that many private universities/colleges in NC are church backed so they can tap church assemblies for funding.

And if you look through many of the business department listings, you'll find that they're for open pool, visiting positions, non-tenure track, etc. Very few are actual full time permanent tenure track positions in the business departments. 

A $25 million loan doesn't mean much. I just watched 99 year old Cazenovia College fail to make payment on their $25 million loan and was forced to close down. This too was a private college. It was created by a church. It's now gone and the students were forced to transfer. They were informed of the closing during their December finals that the college was closing at the end of the spring semester. They're far from the only college who failed to repay a loan. Loans of this magnitude are extremely difficult to repay. They're just digging themselves a bigger hole.

I am not saying that a loan will keep a college/university afloat, but it does help some like the one I mentioned. The links I posted do list full time faculty positions, not all universities/college offer tenure but a person can still find a full time faculty position, if they look hard enough and market themselves.

A person has to start somewhere and not everyone lands their dream position on the first try in academia. A visiting professorship or instructorship can open doors and opportunities, I would not count those types of positions out.

[Duneranger]

I am not going to list every single college/university that is hiring. A person can find positions at the usual places:  https://jobs.chronicle.com/jobs/faculty-.../#browsing or https://www.higheredjobs.com/faculty/ or a person can go to the actual college or university to apply.  NC has not had many colleges/universities close here but some are in trouble with accreditors due to financial footing. In fact one small liberal arts college, where I am on the board, was able to secure a 25 million loan to boost finances and received incentives from the town and county. It also helps that many private universities/colleges in NC are church backed so they can tap church assemblies for funding.

And if you look through many of the business department listings, you'll find that they're for open pool, visiting positions, non-tenure track, etc. Very few are actual full time permanent tenure track positions in the business departments. 

A $25 million loan doesn't mean much. I just watched 99 year old Cazenovia College fail to make payment on their $25 million loan and was forced to close down. This too was a private college. It was created by a church. It's now gone and the students were forced to transfer. They were informed of the closing during their December finals that the college was closing at the end of the spring semester. They're far from the only college who failed to repay a loan. Loans of this magnitude are extremely difficult to repay. They're just digging themselves a bigger hole.

Sad. I originally attended a small private LA religious school (in name mostly) like this one which had a ton of history. They have had to cut a ton of majors and faculty due to declining student attendance. It was a pricey school but the education was quality for those wanting to get into the medical field or pre-law. They also offered a lot of scholarships.

This is going to happen more and more.

[bjcheung77]

It really is up to the OP or prospective student to know what they're getting into or why they're going for this DBA or any similar doctoral degree... There are reason as long as those reasons are for personal or professional growth, any addition learning to fill knowledge gaps or requirements for future positions, etc would work. Just make sure to keep things within your budget, commitments, energy, timeline, etc...

[Pats20]

This is one that I would consider if I decide to go that far.

https://www.ucumberlands.edu/academics/g...y-business

Under $40k. For PhD