Bernie, Donald, or Hilary? Which one of the seniors are you voting for?

[sanantone]

Most of the people protesting at Trump rallies and even events for the Democratic Party are Bernie Sanders supporters. I was disappointed that Sanders had a similar response as Trump has had by weakly denouncing the violence and immediately making excuses for his supporters. But, let's not act like Trump supporters haven't been violent. In the videos of the last protests, I couldn't tell the Trump and Sanders supporters apart unless they had signs that showed their affiliation.

Sanders is not likely to win the nomination, and a vote for a third party candidate only risks putting Trump in office. I don't know if Trump is racist, but he sure does go out of his way to appeal to racists. Even without his racist attacks against Hispanics and sexist attacks against women, the guy has said nothing that appeals to me. What little policy proposals he's made don't make sense or wouldn't work; he speaks gibberish most of the time. As someone who did a whole master's in security studies, I can realize that he knows nothing about international relations. While many politicians tend to flip flop, Trump has changed his mind on almost every single issue multiple times. Sometimes, he changes his mind within the same day. I don't think he really has any true convictions. He just says whatever he thinks people want to hear. I'm still wondering if his campaign is performance art, a practical joke, or a plan to put Clinton into office. It's hard to take him seriously.

Trump is intentionally or unintentionally appealing to the lowest common denominator. An analysis of the candidate's announcements of candidacy showed that Trump spoke at the lowest level: fourth grade. He attracts people who don't want to spend too much energy on brain power. They don't care that he doesn't really have a plan for anything. All they see is that he's a billionaire (one born with a silver spoon in his mouth and had his companies bankrupt four times) and someone saying that he's going to make America great again. Plans to try to fix America's problems are too complicated for them to understand.

As for the Robert Byrd thing, I live in the South. At least half of the elderly white people around me were probably KKK members, white supremacists, KKK sympathizers, or segregationists. It would take too much energy to try to avoid all of them for beliefs that were held by many southerners decades ago.

[sanantone]

Someone just posted this on the other forum. It's so accurate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnu8FOTwM2U

[Outis]

But that she supported Robert Byrd doesn't make her racist, and this image only appeals to those who have no background on Byrd.

Byrd joined the KKK as a 20 something in the 1940s, but eventually realized how disgusting he had been, renounced the organization, and spent decades on policy actively fighting the organization and discriminatory policy.

You are going to tell me with a straight face that if Trump had a love fest with a former Grand Wizard Lizard (whatever they call themselves) of the KKK, you would be cool with it?

And yeah, how convenient the Grand Lizard disavowed his former Klan membership....you know....when he started seeking public office.

The guy says "...I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds...", and then two years later he starts his professional career as a public "servant" in elected office. Give me a break.


And Sanatone -- I agree with Trump's level of speech, spot on. But it's a bit of a dig to suggest that he only attracts people who "don't want to spend too much energy on brain power". In other words, you are calling them idiots. That's some type of fallacy or something. For the sake of it, I'll grant you that all Trump supporters are concerned with conserving precious brain power. About 1/4 of Bernie's donations are coming from unemployed folks. I suppose the candidate promising the most free stuff would have a lot of support from this demographic. It would be rude if I said these folks don't want to spend too much energy on gainful employment.

[sanantone]

You are going to tell me with a straight face that if Trump had a love fest with a former Grand Wizard Lizard (whatever they call themselves) of the KKK, you would be cool with it?

Everyone in Congress worked with Robert Byrd. I guess you don't accept that people can change. I work at a prison as a substance abuse counselor. I have to work with convicted murderers, robbers, drug dealers, and wife beaters. If everyone had your mindset, no one would try to work with these people and rehabilitate them.

[sanantone]

You are going to tell me with a straight face that if Trump had a love fest with a former Grand Wizard Lizard (whatever they call themselves) of the KKK, you would be cool with it?

And yeah, how convenient the Grand Lizard disavowed his former Klan membership....you know....when he started seeking public office.

The guy says "...I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds...", and then two years later he starts his professional career as a public "servant" in elected office. Give me a break.

The Book of Mormon and other canonical books used by the Church of Latter Day Saints are horribly racist. They wouldn't even allow black men into the priesthood until 1978. I'm not going to spend my time avoiding every single Mormon. Byrd supported a national holiday for MLK, John McCain was in the minority who did not. He has since changed his mind, and I'm not going to hold his past vote against him.

By the way, Donald Trump was a Clinton supporter and good friends with the Clintons. He didn't seem to care about Hillary working with Byrd.

[jsd]

You are going to tell me with a straight face that if Trump had a love fest with a former Grand Wizard Lizard (whatever they call themselves) of the KKK, you would be cool with it?
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If that former member actively worked against his past, advanced legislation to fight the actions of his former organization, and routinely denounced and condemned those former actions, yes.

Prove that it's more than just talk, like Byrd did.

I absolutely believe people can change, and Byrd showed it in his actions.

[sanantone]

If that former member actively worked against his past, advanced legislation to fight the actions of his former organization, and routinely denounced and condemned those former actions, yes.

Prove that it's more than just talk, like Byrd did.

I absolutely believe people can change, and Byrd showed it in his actions.

Donald Trump failed to immediately disavow David Duke's support, and David Duke is still active in the white supremacist movement. Trump claimed to not know anything about him, but there is a record of Trump speaking out against him in the past. Trump is pandering to the white separatists and doesn't want to lose his Super PAC run by white supremacist groups.

[Outis]

Everyone in Congress worked with Robert Byrd. I guess you don't accept that people can change. I work at a prison as a substance abuse counselor. I have to work with convicted murderers, robbers, drug dealers, and wife beaters. If everyone had your mindset, no one would try to work with these people and rehabilitate them.

First, I never said people can't change. What I was alluding to is that his quote was pretty god dang awful -- and strong. And in about 100 weeks later he began his political career (or maybe earlier). I suppose it wouldn't make much sense for him to do anything but "reform". Yeah, color me a cynic.

The Book of Mormon and other canonical books used by the Church of Latter Day Saints are horribly racist. They wouldn't even allow black men into the priesthood until 1978. I'm not going to spend my time avoiding every single Mormon.

Yep, those Mormons these days are horrible. Anyways, each of the Abrahamic religious texts have slavery, rape, racism, all sorts of juicy stuff. Most of this is ignored by 99% of the adherents (errr.....excluding some "organized extremist groups" as Hillary would put it).

But, I don't understand your point. You say your not going to "spend my time avoiding every single Mormon" --- as opposed to what? I will go out of my way to avoid former Lizard Kkkommanders. And yes, Donald J Trump was lovey dovey with the Clintons --- and the Clintons sure didn't mind his support, eh?

As a security studies graduate, what's your view on Hillary's email blunders?


And about this David Duke character -- you're right. Remember when Trump called Duke "a bigot, a racist, a problem"? He opted not to run on the third party ticket because it was associated with a politician that had verbal support from a racist. Yeah, Trump is totally into the white power vote. How big of a voting bloc do you think these white power folks are? And you think Trump is courting these losers so he can receive $0 from an obscure racist PAC (I assume you are referring to American National Trump SuperPAC)? Let's think this one through. Sure Trump is pandering to folks - give me a candidate that's not.

[jsd]

I suppose it wouldn't make much sense for him to do anything but "reform". Yeah, color me a cynic.

Considering he was running in WV in the 50s, disavowing the KKK in that context isn't the big political boost you think it was.

And if the reformation was for show, he needn't follow it up with actions. He did.

[sanantone]

First, I never said people can't change. What I was alluding to is that his quote was pretty god dang awful -- and strong. And in about 100 weeks later he began his political career (or maybe earlier). I suppose it wouldn't make much sense for him to do anything but "reform". Yeah, color me a cynic.

If he continued to support racist policies, then you would have an argument.

Yep, those Mormons these days are horrible. Anyways, each of the Abrahamic religious texts have slavery, rape, racism, all sorts of juicy stuff. Most of this is ignored by 99% of the adherents (errr.....excluding some "organized extremist groups" as Hillary would put it).

Exactly, but you wouldn't withhold your support from a Mormon, Christian, Muslim, or Jew or from someone who interacted with a Mormon, Christian, Muslim, or Jew. There are still many Mormons alive who were practicing members during their days of excluding black men from the priesthood e.g. Mitt Romney.

But, I don't understand your point. You say your not going to "spend my time avoiding every single Mormon" --- as opposed to what? I will go out of my way to avoid former Lizard Kkkomanders. And yes, Donald J Trump was lovey dovey with the Clintons --- and the Clintons sure didn't mind his support, eh?

The Clintons didn't mind his support when he wasn't a presidential candidate pandering to white separatists and making racist attacks against an American judge.

As a security studies graduate, what's your view on Hillary's email blunders?

My major is a sub-field of international relations, not IT or even homeland security; but, the email blunder is problematic. However, I have to go with the lesser of two evils. I don't know what Trump is going to do in office because he's never honest about what he stands for. All I know is that he talks like an idiot.