Associates by HS graduation… Guidance appreciated

[acamp]

Hi all,
Okay I must be getting old I guess lol because I am now venturing into the college planning stage for my oldest. She is 15 and will be a sophomore in high school next year (she is homeschooled and is extremely diligent and organized with her work).

The goal (hopefully realistic) is to have her graduate her senior year of HS with both a high school and ASSOCIATES degree.

We would need the associates degree to be:
1) credits from REGIONALLY-ACCREDITED schools

2) LOWEST PRICE possible. I know money doesn’t matter for some but sadly it does for us haha. We really need the associates to be as low-cost out of pocket as possible.

3) no CLEP or AP courses.

Hope that makes sense. If anyone can shed any light or guidance, I would really appreciate it. Thanks all.



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[jg_nuy]

Hello -

Depending on your state, there may be good options that come with major discounts or even free dual enrollment - it might be a good idea to fill out the rest of the template and addendum for better advice: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...Area-works

One really good option is Pierpont dual enrollment - they have a path for an AA in Liberal Arts or you can choose a concentration - they are $25 per credit and it is different from the BOG AAS recommended for adults here. Pierpont accepts Sophia, study dot com and other ACE credits. You would need to do at least 15 credits with them, but that can be easily done in dual enrollment as a homeschooler: https://www.pierpont.edu/admissions/dual-enrollment/

The page below from the Wiki has some additional options, with the cheapest probably being Charter Oak:
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/As...7s_Degrees

[bjcheung77]

@acamp, that's pretty much what I was going to say, Dual Enrollment along with ACE/NCCRS to get an associates from either your local community college or from Pierpont and the WV community colleges that accept dual enrollment towards their associates. You can ladder that to the Excelsior BSLA by using up to 113 credits through ACE options such as Saylor.org, Sophia.org, Study.com, NCCRS options such as LawShelf.com, Onlinedegree.com, etc. She can be done with the Bachelors if you put the classes towards her high school transcript... Excelsior or TESU would be your best bet for the Bachelors when the time comes, but work on the Associates first and these credits can be used towards the Bachelors later!

[acamp]

@acamp, that's pretty much what I was going to say, Dual Enrollment along with ACE/NCCRS to get an associates from either your local community college or from Pierpont and the WV community colleges that accept dual enrollment towards their associates. You can ladder that to the Excelsior BSLA by using up to 113 credits through ACE options such as Saylor.org, Sophia.org, Study.com, NCCRS options such as LawShelf.com, Onlinedegree.com, etc. She can be done with the Bachelors if you put the classes towards her high school transcript... Excelsior or TESU would be your best bet for the Bachelors when the time comes, but work on the Associates first and these credits can be used towards the Bachelors later!

Thank you so much for the responses! I just had a few followup questions:

1) if she completes 45 credits/15 classes through Sophia, she will only have to complete 15 credits/5 classes for the associates degree for Pierpoint, correct?

2) do you need Pierpoint PLUS WV schools for the dual enrollment associates degree?

3) lastly, let’s say she takes 45 credits through Sophia and then completes the last 15 credits at Pierpoint for her associates degree. How do we know which courses to take that will match up to the liberal studies or education associates degree through Pierpoint?

Thanks again!


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[bjcheung77]

West Virginia has a few colleges, the two I like most is Blue Ridge due to their different options at the Associates level. Interesting ones to say the least, they have a few that are not the norm... Pierpont due to the sheer number of people who used them... For Blue Ridge Dual Enrollment, there's an area for Homeschool on the webpage, you may want to contact them to get the full scoop of things: https://www.blueridgectc.edu/audience/ne...l-student/

Here are the links to the two WV associates degree options available for prospective students:
BR: https://www.blueridgectc.edu/academic-pr...-programs/
PP: https://www.pierpont.edu/academics/associate-degrees/

1) All WV colleges have a residency requirement, just like any other institution, it should be 25% of the classes required must be done
2) Dual enrollment should be used for classes not easily available using ACE or other alternative credit options, or not transferable
3) Depends on your degree and alternative credit providers they accept, your general education, electives should all be transferable

[acamp]

West Virginia has a few colleges, the two I like most is Blue Ridge due to their different options at the Associates level. Interesting ones to say the least, they have a few that are not the norm... Pierpont due to the sheer number of people who used them... For Blue Ridge Dual Enrollment, there's an area for Homeschool on the webpage, you may want to contact them to get the full scoop of things: https://www.blueridgectc.edu/audience/ne...l-student/

Here are the links to the two WV associates degree options available for prospective students:
BR: https://www.blueridgectc.edu/academic-pr...-programs/
PP: https://www.pierpont.edu/academics/associate-degrees/

1) All WV colleges have a residency requirement, just like any other institution, it should be 25% of the classes required must be done
2) Dual enrollment should be used for classes not easily available using ACE or other alternative credit options, or not transferable
3) Depends on your degree and alternative credit providers they accept, your general education, electives should all be transferable

Hello again,
From your experience, is Pierpoint the cheapest and “easiest” (via alternative credit options) to earn an associates in?

Also, let’s say my daughter wants to end up with her associates degree in liberal arts option from Pierpoint when she graduates high school. If she wants to take all 45 credits via Sophia and study (if needed) and then take the remaining 15 at Pierpoint, how do I direct her into which 45 credits to take at Sophia ? That’s the part where I am confused




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[bjcheung77]

Yes and No, Pierpont is not the cheapest, easiest, or fastest option as there are several that can be done FREE on route to the Bachelors without any extra work.  It really depends on the student and variables, you haven't indicated which state you're in (yes, we know you're in the state of confusion at the moment, but I'm referring to the state you reside in).

Only advising or staff at Blue Ridge, Pierpont, and whoever else you're looking into will know the 15 credits that can be done in residency using Dual Enrollment, the other 45 credits would be general education/electives, the 15 usually is the area of study, emphasis, focus, or minor for the Associates, and it's done at the institution you complete the degree at.

I don't recall any member providing a list of Dual Enrollment classes for the institutions such as Blue Ridge, Pierpont, etc, without knowing what they offer for dual enrollment, you won't know what classes can be transferred and can't, you can only 'estimate or gauge' what those may be (yes, the gen eds and electives) and confirm with the institution.

In conclusion, if you review post #2 and Pierpont link to dual enrollment, they've got multiple AA example options, even though there are 'emphasis' in each one of them, they're all general education/electives that can be laddered up into Excelsior BSLA or TESU BALS.  Essentially, take 90+ credits from Sophia.org as if you're doing the Pierpont BOG AAS.

[acamp]

Yes and No, Pierpont is not the cheapest, easiest, or fastest option as there are several that can be done FREE on route to the Bachelors without any extra work.  It really depends on the student and variables, you haven't indicated which state you're in (yes, we know you're in the state of confusion at the moment, but I'm referring to the state you reside in).

Only advising or staff at Blue Ridge, Pierpont, and whoever else you're looking into will know the 15 credits that can be done in residency using Dual Enrollment, the other 45 credits would be general education/electives, the 15 usually is the area of study, emphasis, focus, or minor for the Associates, and it's done at the institution you complete the degree at.

I don't recall any member providing a list of Dual Enrollment classes for the institutions such as Blue Ridge, Pierpont, etc, without knowing what they offer for dual enrollment, you won't know what classes can be transferred and can't, you can only 'estimate or gauge' what those may be (yes, the gen eds and electives) and confirm with the institution.

In conclusion, if you review post #2 and Pierpont link to dual enrollment, they've got multiple AA example options, even though there are 'emphasis' in each one of them, they're all general education/electives that can be laddered up into Excelsior BSLA or TESU BALS.  Essentially, take 90+ credits from Sophia.org as if you're doing the Pierpont BOG AAS.

Good evening,
We live in NJ. Pierpont is actually cheaper than any community college in NJ anyway.

So there is no way of knowing which classes to have my daughter to take through Sophia if she wants to earn the general associates in liberal arts? I just don’t know which courses she would need to take to earn those 45 out of the 60 credits.

Thanks again!


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[jg_nuy]

Yes and No, Pierpont is not the cheapest, easiest, or fastest option as there are several that can be done FREE on route to the Bachelors without any extra work.  It really depends on the student and variables, you haven't indicated which state you're in (yes, we know you're in the state of confusion at the moment, but I'm referring to the state you reside in).

Only advising or staff at Blue Ridge, Pierpont, and whoever else you're looking into will know the 15 credits that can be done in residency using Dual Enrollment, the other 45 credits would be general education/electives, the 15 usually is the area of study, emphasis, focus, or minor for the Associates, and it's done at the institution you complete the degree at.

I don't recall any member providing a list of Dual Enrollment classes for the institutions such as Blue Ridge, Pierpont, etc, without knowing what they offer for dual enrollment, you won't know what classes can be transferred and can't, you can only 'estimate or gauge' what those may be (yes, the gen eds and electives) and confirm with the institution.

In conclusion, if you review post #2 and Pierpont link to dual enrollment, they've got multiple AA example options, even though there are 'emphasis' in each one of them, they're all general education/electives that can be laddered up into Excelsior BSLA or TESU BALS.  Essentially, take 90+ credits from Sophia.org as if you're doing the Pierpont BOG AAS.

Good evening,
We live in NJ.  Pierpont is actually cheaper than any community college in NJ anyway.  

So there is no way of knowing which classes to have my daughter to take through Sophia if she wants to earn the general associates in liberal arts?    I just don’t know which courses she would need to take to earn those 45 out of the 60 credits.

Thanks again!


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There are no specific classes that you need to take as 15 credits - you are also not limited to just 15 at Pierpont. I would recommend the 11th grade path to start (add or remove classes as needed):

Fall: 
* Written English I (ENG 1104) - 4 credits
* General Biology (BIOL 1101) - 4 credits
* Computer Concepts and Application - 3 credits

Spring:

* Written English II (ENGL 1108) - 4 credits
* Fundamentals of Math (MTH 1207) - 3 credits
* Intro to Human Communication (COMM 2200) - 3 credits

Source: https://www.pierpont.edu/wp-content/uplo...tudies.pdf

Given that you are in NJ, I would recommend TESU since you are eligible for discounted tuition ($3319 for a 15-credit term) and they accept a ton of Sophia and other ACE credits, but that may depend on your student's specific interested. In NJ, there are also some grants that you may be eligible for that can cover tuition:
Community College Opportunity Grant (CCOG)
https://www.hesaa.org/pages/ccog.aspx

Garden State Guarantee (GSG)
https://www.nj.gov/highereducation/gsg.shtml

[acamp]

Yes and No, Pierpont is not the cheapest, easiest, or fastest option as there are several that can be done FREE on route to the Bachelors without any extra work.  It really depends on the student and variables, you haven't indicated which state you're in (yes, we know you're in the state of confusion at the moment, but I'm referring to the state you reside in).

Only advising or staff at Blue Ridge, Pierpont, and whoever else you're looking into will know the 15 credits that can be done in residency using Dual Enrollment, the other 45 credits would be general education/electives, the 15 usually is the area of study, emphasis, focus, or minor for the Associates, and it's done at the institution you complete the degree at.

I don't recall any member providing a list of Dual Enrollment classes for the institutions such as Blue Ridge, Pierpont, etc, without knowing what they offer for dual enrollment, you won't know what classes can be transferred and can't, you can only 'estimate or gauge' what those may be (yes, the gen eds and electives) and confirm with the institution.

In conclusion, if you review post #2 and Pierpont link to dual enrollment, they've got multiple AA example options, even though there are 'emphasis' in each one of them, they're all general education/electives that can be laddered up into Excelsior BSLA or TESU BALS.  Essentially, take 90+ credits from Sophia.org as if you're doing the Pierpont BOG AAS.

Good evening,
We live in NJ.  Pierpont is actually cheaper than any community college in NJ anyway.  

So there is no way of knowing which classes to have my daughter to take through Sophia if she wants to earn the general associates in liberal arts?    I just don’t know which courses she would need to take to earn those 45 out of the 60 credits.

Thanks again!


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There are no specific classes that you need to take as 15 credits - you are also not limited to just 15 at Pierpont. I would recommend the 11th grade path to start (add or remove classes as needed):

Fall: 
* Written English I (ENG 1104) - 4 credits
* General Biology (BIOL 1101) - 4 credits
* Computer Concepts and Application - 3 credits

Spring:

* Written English II (ENGL 1108) - 4 credits
* Fundamentals of Math (MTH 1207) - 3 credits
* Intro to Human Communication (COMM 2200) - 3 credits

Source: https://www.pierpont.edu/wp-content/uplo...tudies.pdf

Given that you are in NJ, I would recommend TESU since you are eligible for discounted tuition ($3319 for a 15-credit term) and they accept a ton of Sophia and other ACE credits, but that may depend on your student's specific interested. In NJ, there are also some grants that you may be eligible for that can cover tuition:
Community College Opportunity Grant (CCOG)
https://www.hesaa.org/pages/ccog.aspx

Garden State Guarantee (GSG)
https://www.nj.gov/highereducation/gsg.shtml

I am sorry if I am confused, but those classes that you posted are the Pierpont courses that you would complete through them. I was looking for the corresponding Sophia courses


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